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Old Tue Sep 22, 2009, 04:54pm
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Clock correction?

At the start of OT, A4 catches the jump ball and drives for a quick lay up. The official notices the clock is at 2:55.

The clock:
a. Should be corrected to 4:00.
b. Should be corrected to 5:00.
c. Should be corrected to 3:55.
d. Should be corrected to 4:55.
e. Cannot be corrected.
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Old Tue Sep 22, 2009, 05:04pm
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f. Shoot the R because they didn't notice the incorrect time before the OT started.

Well, after choosing (f), and assuming it's a varsity game with 8:00 minute quarters, reset the clock to 3:55 (because the OT should've started with 4:00, and you have definite knowledge 5 seconds elapsed), and work the rest of the game with one less partner...
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Old Tue Sep 22, 2009, 10:59pm
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What M&M said...

Also, check out 5.7.3
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Before the OT started, the clock should have been set to 0:00.
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Old Wed Sep 23, 2009, 01:26am
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At the start of OT, A4 catches the jump ball and drives for a quick lay up. The official notices the clock is at 2:55.

The clock:
a. Should be corrected to 4:00.
b. Should be corrected to 5:00.
c. Should be corrected to 3:55.
d. Should be corrected to 4:55.
e. Cannot be corrected.
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Old Wed Sep 23, 2009, 05:29am
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At the start of OT, A4 catches the jump ball and drives for a quick lay up. The official notices the clock is at 2:55.

The clock:
a. Should be corrected to 4:00.
b. Should be corrected to 5:00.
c. Should be corrected to 3:55.
d. Should be corrected to 4:55.
e. Cannot be corrected.


A different official saw the error first and blew his whistle the second before A4 hits the layup.
Inadvertant whistle.
Put 3:56 on the clock.
A's ball OOB.
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Old Wed Sep 23, 2009, 06:39am
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Good Idea tjones1, Let's Check It Out ...

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Check out 5.7.3.
LENGTH OF EXTRA PERIOD INCORRECT
5.7.3 SITUATION: Following a violation in the first extra period, the timer beckons the referee to the table. The timer informs the referee that by mistake the period started with: (a) more; or (b) less than four minutes on the clock. RULING: In (a), if the mistake is discovered before the clock reaches four minutes, the clock shall be set at four minutes and play resumes. If discovered after reaching four minutes, no correction is allowed. In (b), the appropriate amount of time shall be added to reflect a four-minute period. (2-5-5)
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Old Wed Sep 23, 2009, 07:48am
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LENGTH OF EXTRA PERIOD INCORRECT
5.7.3 SITUATION: Following a violation in the first extra period, the timer beckons the referee to the table. The timer informs the referee that by mistake the period started with: (a) more; or (b) less than four minutes on the clock. RULING: In (a), if the mistake is discovered before the clock reaches four minutes, the clock shall be set at four minutes and play resumes. If discovered after reaching four minutes, no correction is allowed. In (b), the appropriate amount of time shall be added to reflect a four-minute period. (2-5-5)

I know that's the case. But, why is the procedure different in (a) than in (b)? In both cases, you (presumably) know how much time was on the clock at the start, so you can make the correct adjustment when the error was discovered.
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Old Wed Sep 23, 2009, 08:44am
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A different official saw the error first and blew his whistle the second before A4 hits the layup.
Inadvertant whistle.
Put 3:56 on the clock.
A's ball OOB.
Troublemaker.

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Old Wed Sep 23, 2009, 11:31am
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I know that's the case. But, why is the procedure different in (a) than in (b)? In both cases, you (presumably) know how much time was on the clock at the start, so you can make the correct adjustment when the error was discovered.
If they were the same, what should happen if the time that had elapsed was longer than the number minutes that should have been in OT? Do you go back and figure out who was ahead the time it should have ended? Do you just declare the game over when discovered? Neither of those are likely to be the "right" way to fix this error.

Each team should have the benefit/burden of strategically playing from 4:00 on the clock, not starting with 8:00 (most likely of errors) and suddenly jumping to 0:30 after 3:30 had elapsed and someone realized this OT was taking a long time...changing their entire stragegy.
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Old Wed Sep 23, 2009, 11:39am
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If they were the same, what should happen if the time that had elapsed was longer than the number minutes that should have been in OT? Do you go back and figure out who was ahead the time it should have ended? Do you just declare the game over when discovered? Neither of those are likely to be the "right" way to fix this error.

Each team should have the benefit/burden strategically playing from 4:00 on the clock, not starting with 8:00 (most likely of errors) and suddenly jumping to 0:30 after 3:30 had elapsed and someone realized this OT was taking a long time...changing their entire stragegy.
The same (or maybe it's the opposite) happens if the clock is set at less than 4:00 and a team sets up for and makes (or misses) a "winning" shot at which time the error is discovered. The clock error affected play.

There are potential problems with any solution. I just think that it should consistently be "play on" or "fix it" or "do over."
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LENGTH OF EXTRA PERIOD INCORRECT
5.7.3 SITUATION: Following a violation in the first extra period, the timer beckons the referee to the table. The timer informs the referee that by mistake the period started with: (a) more; or (b) less than four minutes on the clock. RULING: In (a), if the mistake is discovered before the clock reaches four minutes, the clock shall be set at four minutes and play resumes. If discovered after reaching four minutes, no correction is allowed. In (b), the appropriate amount of time shall be added to reflect a four-minute period. (2-5-5)
I find it very interesting that even with definite knowledge we are unable to correct this. I could understand if the correction would result in the end of the game however, if for some reason the clock is reset stay to 8 minutes, and it is discovered at the 6:55 mark (just some arbitrary time) that we would be required to set the clock to 4:00 rather than take of the 1:05 that elapsed.

I guess its one of these, lets just not let it happen. Lets both (or all three of us) make sure the clock is set correctly before the OT tip.
Yes Mark, I know that you are having a cow. How could vets let this game go into overtime.

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Old Wed Sep 23, 2009, 12:55pm
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The same (or maybe it's the opposite) happens if the clock is set at less than 4:00 and a team sets up for and makes (or misses) a "winning" shot at which time the error is discovered. The clock error affected play.

There are potential problems with any solution. I just think that it should consistently be "play on" or "fix it" or "do over."
By the same token, if at the start of OT the clock was inadvertently set to 3:00 and not discovered until just right after time ran out, would we resume the game with 1:00 minute left?
That would be a can of worms.
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Old Wed Sep 23, 2009, 01:41pm
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By the same token, if at the start of OT the clock was inadvertently set to 3:00 and not discovered until just right after time ran out, would we resume the game with 1:00 minute left?
That would be a can of worms.
You are right in both cases.
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Old Wed Sep 23, 2009, 06:14pm
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I find it very interesting that even with definite knowledge we are unable to correct this. I could understand if the correction would result in the end of the game however, if for some reason the clock is reset stay to 8 minutes, and it is discovered at the 6:55 mark that we would be required to set the clock to 4:00 rather than take of the 1:05 that elapsed.
Agree.
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