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Vinski Tue Sep 22, 2009 04:54pm

Clock correction?
 
At the start of OT, A4 catches the jump ball and drives for a quick lay up. The official notices the clock is at 2:55.

The clock:
a. Should be corrected to 4:00.
b. Should be corrected to 5:00.
c. Should be corrected to 3:55.
d. Should be corrected to 4:55.
e. Cannot be corrected.

M&M Guy Tue Sep 22, 2009 05:04pm

f. Shoot the R because they didn't notice the incorrect time before the OT started.

Well, after choosing (f), and assuming it's a varsity game with 8:00 minute quarters, reset the clock to 3:55 (because the OT should've started with 4:00, and you have definite knowledge 5 seconds elapsed), and work the rest of the game with one less partner... :D

tjones1 Tue Sep 22, 2009 10:59pm

What M&M said...

Also, check out 5.7.3

Mark Padgett Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:03am

Before the OT started, the clock should have been set to 0:00. :cool:

HawkeyeCubP Wed Sep 23, 2009 01:26am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vinski (Post 626682)
At the start of OT, A4 catches the jump ball and drives for a quick lay up. The official notices the clock is at 2:55.

The clock:
a. Should be corrected to 4:00.
b. Should be corrected to 5:00.
c. Should be corrected to 3:55.
d. Should be corrected to 4:55.
e. Cannot be corrected.

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CoachP Wed Sep 23, 2009 05:29am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vinski (Post 626682)
At the start of OT, A4 catches the jump ball and drives for a quick lay up. The official notices the clock is at 2:55.

The clock:
a. Should be corrected to 4:00.
b. Should be corrected to 5:00.
c. Should be corrected to 3:55.
d. Should be corrected to 4:55.
e. Cannot be corrected.



A different official saw the error first and blew his whistle the second before A4 hits the layup.
Inadvertant whistle.
Put 3:56 on the clock.
A's ball OOB.
;)

BillyMac Wed Sep 23, 2009 06:39am

Good Idea tjones1, Let's Check It Out ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 626721)
Check out 5.7.3.

LENGTH OF EXTRA PERIOD INCORRECT
5.7.3 SITUATION: Following a violation in the first extra period, the timer beckons the referee to the table. The timer informs the referee that by mistake the period started with: (a) more; or (b) less than four minutes on the clock. RULING: In (a), if the mistake is discovered before the clock reaches four minutes, the clock shall be set at four minutes and play resumes. If discovered after reaching four minutes, no correction is allowed. In (b), the appropriate amount of time shall be added to reflect a four-minute period. (2-5-5)

bob jenkins Wed Sep 23, 2009 07:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 626742)
LENGTH OF EXTRA PERIOD INCORRECT
5.7.3 SITUATION: Following a violation in the first extra period, the timer beckons the referee to the table. The timer informs the referee that by mistake the period started with: (a) more; or (b) less than four minutes on the clock. RULING: In (a), if the mistake is discovered before the clock reaches four minutes, the clock shall be set at four minutes and play resumes. If discovered after reaching four minutes, no correction is allowed. In (b), the appropriate amount of time shall be added to reflect a four-minute period. (2-5-5)


I know that's the case. But, why is the procedure different in (a) than in (b)? In both cases, you (presumably) know how much time was on the clock at the start, so you can make the correct adjustment when the error was discovered.

M&M Guy Wed Sep 23, 2009 08:44am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachP (Post 626737)
A different official saw the error first and blew his whistle the second before A4 hits the layup.
Inadvertant whistle.
Put 3:56 on the clock.
A's ball OOB.
;)

Troublemaker.

:D

Camron Rust Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 626749)
I know that's the case. But, why is the procedure different in (a) than in (b)? In both cases, you (presumably) know how much time was on the clock at the start, so you can make the correct adjustment when the error was discovered.

If they were the same, what should happen if the time that had elapsed was longer than the number minutes that should have been in OT? Do you go back and figure out who was ahead the time it should have ended? Do you just declare the game over when discovered? Neither of those are likely to be the "right" way to fix this error.

Each team should have the benefit/burden of strategically playing from 4:00 on the clock, not starting with 8:00 (most likely of errors) and suddenly jumping to 0:30 after 3:30 had elapsed and someone realized this OT was taking a long time...changing their entire stragegy.

bob jenkins Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:39am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 626804)
If they were the same, what should happen if the time that had elapsed was longer than the number minutes that should have been in OT? Do you go back and figure out who was ahead the time it should have ended? Do you just declare the game over when discovered? Neither of those are likely to be the "right" way to fix this error.

Each team should have the benefit/burden strategically playing from 4:00 on the clock, not starting with 8:00 (most likely of errors) and suddenly jumping to 0:30 after 3:30 had elapsed and someone realized this OT was taking a long time...changing their entire stragegy.

The same (or maybe it's the opposite) happens if the clock is set at less than 4:00 and a team sets up for and makes (or misses) a "winning" shot at which time the error is discovered. The clock error affected play.

There are potential problems with any solution. I just think that it should consistently be "play on" or "fix it" or "do over."

SAK Wed Sep 23, 2009 11:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 626742)
LENGTH OF EXTRA PERIOD INCORRECT
5.7.3 SITUATION: Following a violation in the first extra period, the timer beckons the referee to the table. The timer informs the referee that by mistake the period started with: (a) more; or (b) less than four minutes on the clock. RULING: In (a), if the mistake is discovered before the clock reaches four minutes, the clock shall be set at four minutes and play resumes. If discovered after reaching four minutes, no correction is allowed. In (b), the appropriate amount of time shall be added to reflect a four-minute period. (2-5-5)

I find it very interesting that even with definite knowledge we are unable to correct this. I could understand if the correction would result in the end of the game however, if for some reason the clock is reset stay to 8 minutes, and it is discovered at the 6:55 mark (just some arbitrary time) that we would be required to set the clock to 4:00 rather than take of the 1:05 that elapsed.

I guess its one of these, lets just not let it happen. Lets both (or all three of us) make sure the clock is set correctly before the OT tip.
Yes Mark, I know that you are having a cow. How could vets let this game go into overtime.

Vinski Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 626805)
The same (or maybe it's the opposite) happens if the clock is set at less than 4:00 and a team sets up for and makes (or misses) a "winning" shot at which time the error is discovered. The clock error affected play.

There are potential problems with any solution. I just think that it should consistently be "play on" or "fix it" or "do over."

By the same token, if at the start of OT the clock was inadvertently set to 3:00 and not discovered until just right after time ran out, would we resume the game with 1:00 minute left?
That would be a can of worms.

tjones1 Wed Sep 23, 2009 01:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vinski (Post 626822)
By the same token, if at the start of OT the clock was inadvertently set to 3:00 and not discovered until just right after time ran out, would we resume the game with 1:00 minute left?
That would be a can of worms.

You are right in both cases. ;)

BillyMac Wed Sep 23, 2009 06:14pm

Seems Odd ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SAK (Post 626809)
I find it very interesting that even with definite knowledge we are unable to correct this. I could understand if the correction would result in the end of the game however, if for some reason the clock is reset stay to 8 minutes, and it is discovered at the 6:55 mark that we would be required to set the clock to 4:00 rather than take of the 1:05 that elapsed.

Agree.


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