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ysong Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:41am

OOB or held ball?
 
Here is another one that I need help with.

2 players from different teams firmly grab the ball, and while jugging for the sole control, 1 player loses his balance and has to move several steps and eventually goes OOB. The ball is still being held by both players, while 1 inbound and 1 OOB.

Should a "held ball" be called in this case instead of OOB (albeit a little bit late)?

Thanks.

ysong

JRutledge Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:47am

If the held ball happened first, call the held ball.

This is after all why we get paid the big bucks. You have to make some decisions some of the time. ;)

Peace

ysong Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 593869)
If the held ball happened first, call the held ball.

This is after all why we get paid the big bucks. You have to make some decisions some of the time. ;)

Peace

Thanks. I am all set for this week.

Enjoy the weekend!

Mark Padgett Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:52am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 593869)
This is after all why we get paid the big bucks.

So how do you deposit this guy into your ATM? :confused:

http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/wp-...09/bigbuck.jpg

JRutledge Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:54am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 593874)
So how do you deposit this guy into your ATM? :confused:

http://mainehuntingtoday.com/bbb/wp-...09/bigbuck.jpg

Where I am from, a rifle usually works. ;)

Peace

Mark Padgett Fri Apr 03, 2009 11:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 593875)
Where I am from, a rifle usually works. ;)

So your PIN is 30 aught 6? :cool:

ma_ref Fri Apr 03, 2009 01:38pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ysong (Post 593865)
2 players from different teams firmly grab the ball, and while jugging for the sole control, 1 player loses his balance and has to move several steps and eventually goes OOB. The ball is still being held by both players, while 1 inbound and 1 OOB.

Rather than held ball/oob, why isn't this a travelling violation instead?

Ch1town Fri Apr 03, 2009 01:48pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ma_ref (Post 593914)
Rather than held ball/oob, why isn't this a travelling violation instead?

Because it was an NBA game :D

Seriously, judging by the description of the OP it sounds as if the held ball clearly came before the travel & OOB.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ysong (Post 593865)
2 players from different teams firmly grab the ball...


JRutledge Fri Apr 03, 2009 01:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by ma_ref (Post 593914)
Rather than held ball/oob, why isn't this a travelling violation instead?

Held Ball Definition says:

Rule 4-25-1, "A held ball occurs when.....opponents have their hands so firmly on the ball that control cannot be obtained without undue roughness."

The player never falls without a struggle for the ball. How can you call a travel if you believe both individuals were struggling for the ball?

Peace

ysong Sat Apr 04, 2009 06:01pm

I assumed the "travelling" was out of the question because neither player had the control of the ball.

Interestingly, does that mean both players are free from the "travelling" restriction until one gets the control of the ball or the whistle is blown?

Thanks.

JRutledge Sat Apr 04, 2009 08:14pm

If both play is not in control of the ball, they cannot travel now can they? What do you want to call a double traveling violation?

Peace

Reffing Rev. Sat Apr 04, 2009 10:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 594119)
If both play is not in control of the ball, they cannot travel now can they? What do you want to call a double traveling violation?

Peace

I don't want to work with the ref whose watching their feet.


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