Who to call the foul on?

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I think the same applies here - B1 and B2 didn't foul at the same time, one fouled right before the other, even though it was approximately the same time.

Look, I have no problem with not calling multiple fouls. I don't remember ever calling one myself. What I am saying is that when you choose to make the decision that one foul came before the other, you shouldn't use criteria such as which defender is the "star" player and/or which player has the most fouls. I guess a good criteria to use is which player's foul interfered the most with the ball handler's ability to do whatever they were trying to do.

As to not knowing (or caring) how many individual fouls a player has at any given time during a game, I try to ignore any indication of that, except if the total is five. In fact, I've told scorers numerous times not to state that stat to me or my partner (except for five, of course).

Whenever a situation occurs in which a player gets a lot of foul calls early, I switch to one of my alter personalities so I forget that it happened. I think Juulie's actually witnessed this happening.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Look, I have no problem with not calling multiple fouls. I don't remember ever calling one myself. What I am saying is that when you choose to make the decision that one foul came before the other, you shouldn't use criteria such as which defender is the "star" player and/or which player has the most fouls. I guess a good criteria to use is which player's foul interfered the most with the ball handler's ability to do whatever they were trying to do.

Mark, the problem is you're not determining which foul first. That's irrelevant on this play, since the ball was live the whole time. You're determining which one to call, and you've got to choose some criteria to use. You can flip a coin (or a point guard) for all I care. I'd prefer to base it on which contact had more effect on the shot.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Mark, the problem is you're not determining which foul first. That's irrelevant on this play, since the ball was live the whole time. You're determining which one to call, and you've got to choose some criteria to use. You can flip a coin (or a point guard) for all I care. I'd prefer to base it on which contact had more effect on the shot.

I thought that's what I said: "I guess a good criteria to use is which player's foul interfered the most with the ball handler's ability to do whatever they were trying to do."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I thought that's what I said: "I guess a good criteria to use is which player's foul interfered the most with the ball handler's ability to do whatever they were trying to do."

Sorry, I missed that. I got stuck on all the talk about who fouled first. My mistake.

[ranjo]

I have often tried to think of a scenario in which I would ever call a multiple foul. I think it would have to be two defensive players crashing into an airborne shooter from two different sides at the same time and so hard that the shooter would come down in a screaming heap with both defenders on top on him. I could probably sell it, but still hope I never see that play.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by ranjo

I have often tried to think of a scenario in which I would ever call a multiple foul. I think it would have to be two defensive players crashing into an airborne shooter from two different sides at the same time and so hard that the shooter would come down in a screaming heap with both defenders on top on him. I could probably sell it, but still hope I never see that play.

I might call it if both fouls were close to intentional. Hard enough I couldn't ignore them, but not quite bad enough to go intentional.