Who to call the foul on?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm calling it on the shorter player because he has no business being in the paint with the big fellas.

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Who do you think steals the ball from the big fellas?

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

And guess which one he is?

M&M is a smart fella. Also, he's intelligent too.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

M&M is a smart fella. Also, he's intelligent too.

He probably hasn't called a multiple foul, either. If two guys foul a shooter at the 'same time', does the shooter get 4 shots if he missed the shot?

Foul trouble wasn't a problem of mine.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

He probably hasn't called a multiple foul, either. If two guys foul a shooter at the 'same time', does the shooter get 4 shots if he missed the shot?

Foul trouble wasn't a problem of mine.

I can tell you one thing, I am not going to try to explain it to any coach (you will have to explain this BTW).

Peace

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

M&M is a smart fella. Also, he's intelligent too.

Well, I wish I was as smart on my NCAA predictions as I was on my prediction about this thread...

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

He probably hasn't called a multiple foul, either.

True.

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

If two guys foul a shooter at the 'same time', does the shooter get 4 shots if he missed the shot?

I probably haven't called this because I didn't know the answer. I looked it up, and it's actually on one of the last pages - 10-6-6: One FT for each foul, on a successful or unsuccessful 2-point try. So, what would really make things interesting is trying to explain to B's coach why, after B1 and B2 foul on a successful try, the basket counts AND A1 is going to shoot 2 FT's.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Mark, the problem is you're not determining which foul first. That's irrelevant on this play, since the ball was live the whole time. You're determining which one to call, and you've got to choose some criteria to use. You can flip a coin (or a point guard) for all I care. I'd prefer to base it on which contact had more effect on the shot.

I thought that's what I said: "I guess a good criteria to use is which player's foul interfered the most with the ball handler's ability to do whatever they were trying to do."

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I heard your assignor is good enough to read minds; even you thinking about such a thing is worth a phone call.

Sad, but true!!

And Saqs is making the same point I am. You have to choose. The criteria I choose to use may be different than Mark's or M$M's (God, I hope it is ), but that doesn't make me right and them wrong, or vice versa. But no way am I going with a multiple foul on this play!!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

I thought that's what I said: "I guess a good criteria to use is which player's foul interfered the most with the ball handler's ability to do whatever they were trying to do."

Sorry, I missed that. I got stuck on all the talk about who fouled first. My mistake.

[just another ref]

Coach: That foul was on 40! Why'd you call it on 20?

Me: 20 is the one I was looking at, Coach.

Most of the time, even if you see two fouls, you have a better look at one than the other. Call the one you have the best look at. Simple solutions are usually best.

On the subject of multiple fouls, like most, I have never seen or called one. Never say never, but the only way I see myself jumping to make this call is if
both were intentional/flagrant.

[JPaco54]

Thanks for all the feedback. From some of the threads posted, it seems I made a good decision in calling the foul on the player who had more impact on the shot. I understand that it is difficult to determine simultaneous action. At this point in my short career (2 years), I did not process the points of game management as posted here in regards to: best player, most fouls, game impact, I just called a foul and tried to make the best decision as I saw it. Experience does play an important part in calling a game, as I have learned from many of you. I want to be able to call a fair game. Being fair to the players for the good play as well as violations they commit. I philosophically have a problem with picking and choosing a violation based on athletic ability. I try to be unbiased. Yes, I understand some of the game management issues, jeff... is referring to, which makes sense as he had addressed it from his years of experience, but I would have a tough time calling a violation based on player impact on the game. I appreciate everyone's input.

[ranjo]

I have often tried to think of a scenario in which I would ever call a multiple foul. I think it would have to be two defensive players crashing into an airborne shooter from two different sides at the same time and so hard that the shooter would come down in a screaming heap with both defenders on top on him. I could probably sell it, but still hope I never see that play.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

And Saqs is making the same point I am. You have to choose.

I don't necessarily disagree; I was commenting on jeffpea's statement about using that as a reason to not call it on the "star", or the player with 4 fouls. For me, most of the time, the choice is easy - call it on the player that fouled first. Sometimes, it can be on the player that fouled harder instead. Very rarely will it be purposely on the player that has the least amount of fouls, especially if the additional reason is it will keep the coach or fans from getting upset.

Originally Posted by rockyroad

But no way am I going with a multiple foul on this play!!

Nyah, nyah, we agree!

[Mark Padgett]

Guys - the obvious answer is to call it on the player who didn't buy foul insurance. If they both bought it, call in on the kid with the highest deductible.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

True.


I probably haven't called this because I didn't know the answer. I looked it up, and it's actually on one of the last pages - 10-6-6: One FT for each foul, on a successful or unsuccessful 2-point try. So, what would really make things interesting is trying to explain to B's coach why, after B1 and B2 foul on a successful try, the basket counts AND A1 is going to shoot 2 FT's.

I hope I never see two guys simultaneously clobber, I mean foul, a shooter on a 3 point attempt.

And especially 2 guys who each have 4 fouls.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

I hope I never see two guys simultaneously clobber, I mean foul, a shooter on a 3 point attempt.

And especially 2 guys who each have 4 fouls.

Methinks the total number of FT's will be more than what we've discussed.