Who to call the foul on?

[bradfordwilkins]

If it literally was the same exact instant, the book clearly says (NF) that it is a multiple foul (4-19-11). If they weren't at the same instant, you could again refer to the book and call a False Multiple Foul (4-19-12).

Case play 4-19-12: B1 fouls airborne A1 who is in the act of shooting. Before shooter A1 returns one foot to the flor, he/she is fouled by B2 who has moved into A1's landing area. The ball (a) does or (b) does not, enter the basket.

Ruling This is a false multiple foul and each foul carries its own penalty. In (a) the goal is counted and A1 is awarded one free throw for each foul. In (b), A1 is awarded two free throws for each foul (10 Penalty 6, 7)

All of this call it on the weaker player, less fouls, bench player, etc shouldn't matter under HS rules...

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by bradfordwilkins

If it literally was the same exact instant, the book clearly says (NF) that it is a multiple foul (4-19-11). If they weren't at the same instant, you could again refer to the book and call a False Multiple Foul (4-19-12).
All of this call it on the weaker player, less fouls, bench player, etc shouldn't matter under HS rules...

Because it is a dumb foul to call. If you call that, you have now given two fouls to the same player on the same action. Something likely happened first and if you are not sure pick one. I have never seen anyone call a multiple foul and hope someone never does. I do not care what the casebook says. The casebook says a lot of things, I would advocate being nit-picky and calling everything no matter what. You will get more into a debate that it was not a multiple foul than it is worth arguing.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by bradfordwilkins

If it literally was the same exact instant, the book clearly says (NF) that it is a multiple foul (4-19-11). If they weren't at the same instant, you could again refer to the book and call a False Multiple Foul (4-19-12).

Case play 4-19-12: B1 fouls airborne A1 who is in the act of shooting. Before shooter A1 returns one foot to the flor, he/she is fouled by B2 who has moved into A1's landing area. The ball (a) does or (b) does not, enter the basket.

Ruling This is a false multiple foul and each foul carries its own penalty. In (a) the goal is counted and A1 is awarded one free throw for each foul. In (b), A1 is awarded two free throws for each foul (10 Penalty 6, 7)

All of this call it on the weaker player, less fouls, bench player, etc shouldn't matter under HS rules...

All I know is that in the games I work, I can't hardly think of a quicker way to commit career suicide than to come out with two fouls on different players on the same play. My assignor (yikes) would have a field day with that one. I can feel my ears burning now and I didn't even do it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

All I know is that in the games I work, I can't hardly think of a quicker way to commit career suicide than to come out with two fouls on different players on the same play. My assignor (yikes) would have a field day with that one. I can feel my ears burning now and I didn't even do it.

The last thing I want is rocky's assigner calling me, so I'll never call the multiple on this.

I'll pick one; the hardest contact, the contact that most affected the shot, the first contact, the kid with the uglier Mom, the kid with the louder Dad, maybe even the kid who doesn't have four fouls. The situation itself will determine how I pick, but I'm going to pick.

[just another ref]

Coach: That foul was on 40! Why'd you call it on 20?

Me: 20 is the one I was looking at, Coach.

Most of the time, even if you see two fouls, you have a better look at one than the other. Call the one you have the best look at. Simple solutions are usually best.

On the subject of multiple fouls, like most, I have never seen or called one. Never say never, but the only way I see myself jumping to make this call is if
both were intentional/flagrant.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I can feel my ears burning now and I didn't even do it.

I heard your assignor is good enough to read minds; even you thinking about such a thing is worth a phone call.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I heard your assignor is good enough to read minds; even you thinking about such a thing is worth a phone call.

Sad, but true!!

And Saqs is making the same point I am. You have to choose. The criteria I choose to use may be different than Mark's or M$M's (God, I hope it is ), but that doesn't make me right and them wrong, or vice versa. But no way am I going with a multiple foul on this play!!

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

And Saqs is making the same point I am. You have to choose.

I don't necessarily disagree; I was commenting on jeffpea's statement about using that as a reason to not call it on the "star", or the player with 4 fouls. For me, most of the time, the choice is easy - call it on the player that fouled first. Sometimes, it can be on the player that fouled harder instead. Very rarely will it be purposely on the player that has the least amount of fouls, especially if the additional reason is it will keep the coach or fans from getting upset.

Originally Posted by rockyroad

But no way am I going with a multiple foul on this play!!

Nyah, nyah, we agree!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I don't necessarily disagree; I was commenting on jeffpea's statement about using that as a reason to not call it on the "star", or the player with 4 fouls. For me, most of the time, the choice is easy - call it on the player that fouled first. Sometimes, it can be on the player that fouled harder instead. Very rarely will it be purposely on the player that has the least amount of fouls, especially if the additional reason is it will keep the coach or fans from getting upset.

I call it on one or the other for many reasons...sometimes I call it on the player who has more hair (being tham I'm bald ).

If given an equal choice between two players and I know the foul count, I just might make use of that information....but, in some cases, I may not. It doesn't come down to one thing....I give it to the player that "deserves" it the most. And since they both fouled, I either must call a multiple foul (not likely to happen), or, in absence of any rule that tells us what to do instead of calling a multiple foul, I get to decide however I like. I might even call it on the player that reacts most to the whistle... Or, I might call it on the one who reacts least.

It really all depends on what i had for lunch that day.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I call it on one or the other for many reasons...sometimes I call it on the player who has more hair (being tham I'm bald ).

If given an equal choice between two players and I know the foul count, I just might make use of that information....but, in some cases, I may not. It doesn't come down to one thing....I give it to the player that "deserves" it the most. And since they both fouled, I either must call a multiple foul (not likely to happen), or, in absence of any rule that tells us what to do instead of calling a multiple foul, I get to decide however I like. I might even call it on the player that reacts most to the whistle... Or, I might call it on the one who reacts least.

It really all depends on what i had for lunch that day.

A lot of times one of the players will raise his hand really quick. Usually an indication that his teammate is a star or is in foul trouble.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I call it on one or the other for many reasons...sometimes I call it on the player who has more hair (being tham I'm bald ).

And all this time I thought you were just helping the environment by wearing solar panels on your head.