Jump stop/pivot/step

[dave30]

If you pick up the dribble and then jump and the feet land simultaneously; then you do not have a pivot foot though. You have to shoot or pass.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by dave30

If you pick up the dribble and then jump and the feet land simultaneously; then you do not have a pivot foot though. You have to shoot or pass.

Or request TO. However, that player may lift one or both feet off the floor before doing so.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by dave30

If you pick up the dribble and then jump and the feet land simultaneously; then you do not have a pivot foot though. You have to shoot or pass.

Are you sure? This sounds like a normal jump stop to me, where the player may use either foot as a pivot foot. Are you confusing this where a player, who catches the ball while moving or dribbling, stops on one foot, jumps off that foot, simultaneously lands on both feet, and neither foot can be a pivot foot?

Long time Forum members will back me up on this: I very seldom post on a thread that involves traveling, because it's one of my weaknesses as an official. I usually just sit back and read everyone else's posts, trying to learn something. I hesitated to post on this thread, but I need to know the correct answer, which is why I took a stab at it. How did I do?

[Adam]

Billy, his order of events is "pick up dribble," "jump," then "lands on both feet." In that order. No pivot foot is allowed.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Billy, his order of events is "pick up dribble," "jump," then "lands on both feet." In that order. No pivot foot is allowed.

Thanks for the help. So you're saying that the player, in dave30's post, doesn't pick up his dribble in the air, and then land on two feet simultaneously, which I think I was describing as legal. Instead, in dave30's post, the player picks up his dribble with his feet on the ground, and then jumps to land on two feet simultaneously, in which case he can only lift a foot to pass, shoot, or, as you pointed out earlier, request a timeout.

This is why I don't usually post on travel rules, and interpretations. I would rather see it, and then make the call. Don't hold your breath until my next travel post. You'll be long dead, unless you're on a respirator.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Billy, his order of events is "pick up dribble," "jump," then "lands on both feet." In that order. No pivot foot is allowed.

He better specify "jumps off one foot," or when he lands he won't have to worry about a pivot foot, because it will be a travel.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Thanks for the help. So you're saying that the player, in dave30's post, doesn't pick up his dribble in the air, and then land on two feet simultaneously, which I think I was describing as legal. Instead, in dave30's post, the player picks up his dribble with his feet on the ground, and then jumps to land on two feet simultaneously, in which case he can only lift a foot to pass, shoot, or, as you pointed out earlier, request a timeout.

This is why I don't usually post on travel rules, and interpretations. I would rather see it, and then make the call. Don't hold your breath until my next travel post. You'll be long dead, unless you're on a respirator.

No, the player picks the ball up with one foot on the floor then jumps off that foot, landing on both simultaneously.

Originally Posted by just another ref

He better specify "jumps off one foot," or when he lands he won't have to worry about a pivot foot, because it will be a travel.

Good clarification.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by just another ref

He better specify "jumps off one foot," or when he lands he won't have to worry about a pivot foot, because it will be a travel.

Traveling is moving a foot or feet in any direction in excess of prescribed limits while holding the ball. The limits on foot movements are as follows:

1) A player who catches the ball with both feet on the floor, may pivot, using either foot. When one foot is lifted, the other is the pivot foot.

2) A player, who catches the ball while moving or dribbling, may stop, and establish a pivot foot as follows:

a. If both feet are off the floor and the player lands:
1. Simultaneously on both feet, either foot may be the pivot.
2. On one foot followed by the other, the first foot to touch is the pivot.
3. On one foot, the player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both. Neither foot can be a pivot in this case.

b. If one foot is on the floor:
1. It is the pivot when the other foot touches in a step.
2. The player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both. Neither foot can be a pivot in this case.

3) After coming to a stop and establishing a pivot foot:
a. The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the floor, before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal.
b. If the player jumps, neither foot may be returned to the floor before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal.
c. The pivot foot may not be lifted before the ball is released, to start a dribble.

4) After coming to a stop when neither foot can be a pivot:
a. One or both feet may be lifted, but may not be returned to the floor before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal.
b. Neither foot may be lifted before the ball is released, to start a dribble.

5) A player holding the ball:
a. May not touch the floor with a knee or any other part of the body other than hand or foot.
b. After gaining control while on the floor and touching with other than hand or foot, may not attempt to get up or stand.

Don't believe everything Robert Frost wrote.

[dave30]

The hardest part for me is determining whether the player gathered the ball while in the air or whether he gathered the ball first and then jumped off one foot. I'm usually concentrating on the defender and that is a hard play for me to get right.