Jump stop/pivot/step

[dave30]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

It depends on what you're calling a jump stop. If the player had the ball gathered (dribble ended) in the air and then the player landed on both feet, he can take one more step. If he had it gathered as he jumped off one foot, and then landed on both feet, he can't.

If a player gathers the ball in the air and lands .... then his feet do not have to hit at the same time..... if it is not on a move to the basket, then the first foot to hit is the pivot foot. If it is a move to the basket, then it like two steps on a layup. Do I have it right now?

[Juulie Downs]

Originally Posted by dave30

If a player gathers the ball in the air and lands .... then his feet do not have to hit at the same time..... if it is not on a move to the basket, then the first foot to hit is the pivot foot. If it is a move to the basket, then it like two steps on a layup. Do I have it right now?

well, sort of. whether or not it's a move to the basket doesn't really matter, as far as the rules go.

The feet don't have to hit exactly perfectly simultaneously to be a jump stop. Should be pretty close, though. If he gathers ball in the air, lands on both feet, either foot can be the pivot. He can then step off the non-pivot foot to shoot or pass, but can't put the pivot foot back down again, so it's more or less one step, as long as that step isn't taken by the pivot foot. That's all true whether or not you consider what he's doing a "move to the basket".

You're right that if he gathers in the air, he can land on one foot which then becomes the pivot foot, and then step onto the other foot and jump up to shoot or pass. So it's more or less two steps after the gather. It's just that the rule isn't defined in terms of the number of steps so when you word your play that way, it's a little hard to just say "yes" or "no".

A better way to describe travel/no-travel questions is with regard to the pivot foot. The whole question is laid out in relation to when the pivot foot is established, and which foot is the pivot. When you know which foot is the pivot, and when everything else happened in relation to that, you've got it made!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

If he/she gathers ball in the air, lands on both feet, either foot can be the pivot. He/she can then step off the non-pivot foot to shoot or pass, but can't put the pivot foot back down again.

If he/she gathers in the air, he/she can land on one foot which then becomes the pivot foot, and then step onto the other foot and jump up to shoot or pass. The rule isn't defined in terms of the number of steps.

A better way to describe travel/no-travel questions is with regard to the pivot foot. The whole question is laid out in relation to when the pivot foot is established, and which foot is the pivot. When you know which foot is the pivot, and when everything else happened in relation to that, you've got it made!

Juulie Downs: Well put. This should be printed, enlarged, and posted in every sports bar for the next two weeks.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Juulie Downs: Well put. This should be printed, enlarged, and posted in every sports bar for the next two weeks.

I worked a boys varsity game in a small town rivalry that went to the buzzer and we got the DVD. The visiting team was well coached in the jump stop and listening to the announcers was hilarious. They acknowledged the legality of the jump stop, but called it a "jump step" the entire game and then told everyone how much they hated it, especially on a play where the kid jumped off one foot and was fouled coming down into the jump stop (the defender stepped in and the kid with the ball pretty much landed on him).

That said, we did miss one during the game -- the feet came down very fast and only with a number of replays did it become obvious the feet didn't come down simultaneously when they needed to, by rule. It was in a tough place to get 2-person, but it's one thing I need to work at next year -- moving more aggressively to get angles as the trail in these types of situations.

[dave30]

If you pick up the dribble and then jump and the feet land simultaneously; then you do not have a pivot foot though. You have to shoot or pass.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by dave30

If you pick up the dribble and then jump and the feet land simultaneously; then you do not have a pivot foot though. You have to shoot or pass.

Or request TO. However, that player may lift one or both feet off the floor before doing so.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by dave30

If you pick up the dribble and then jump and the feet land simultaneously; then you do not have a pivot foot though. You have to shoot or pass.

Are you sure? This sounds like a normal jump stop to me, where the player may use either foot as a pivot foot. Are you confusing this where a player, who catches the ball while moving or dribbling, stops on one foot, jumps off that foot, simultaneously lands on both feet, and neither foot can be a pivot foot?

Long time Forum members will back me up on this: I very seldom post on a thread that involves traveling, because it's one of my weaknesses as an official. I usually just sit back and read everyone else's posts, trying to learn something. I hesitated to post on this thread, but I need to know the correct answer, which is why I took a stab at it. How did I do?

[Adam]

Billy, his order of events is "pick up dribble," "jump," then "lands on both feet." In that order. No pivot foot is allowed.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs

The feet don't have to hit exactly perfectly simultaneously. Should be pretty close, though.

Huh? Either the feet land simultaneously, or they don't. If they land simultaneously, then either foot can be the pivot foot. If they don't land simultaneously, then the foot that lands first becomes the pivot foot.