Jump or Step

[SamIAm]

A previous post got me to thinking. What is the difference between a jump and a step? Does one foot have to remain on the court for it to be a step? It is a fine line between the two as I see it.

A1 picks up his dribble, pivots then steps/jumps from pivot foot to non-pivot foot while retaining possession of the ball.. If it is a step, it is legal. If it is a jump, it is illegal.

Sure if the jump is vertical it is easy to define, but not when horizontal is added. Is it simply, however the official judges or is it as long as one foot remains on the court? I can think of no other criteria.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

A previous post got me to thinking. What is the difference between a jump and a step? Does one foot have to remain on the court for it to be a step? It is a fine line between the two as I see it.

A1 picks up his dribble, pivots then steps/jumps from pivot foot to non-pivot foot while retaining possession of the ball.. If it is a step, it is legal. If it is a jump, it is illegal.

Sure if the jump is vertical it is easy to define, but not when horizontal is added. Is it simply, however the official judges or is it as long as one foot remains on the court? I can think of no other criteria.

I don't think the previous post is correct. Note that the part about "if the player jumps, neither foot may be returned to the floor" applies only "AFTER coming to a stop and establishing a pivot foot" -- in the situations you are describing, the player doesn't stop and the pivot foot isn't established until the other foot touches.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I don't think the previous post is correct. Note that the part about "if the player jumps, neither foot may be returned to the floor" applies only "AFTER coming to a stop and establishing a pivot foot" -- in the situations you are describing, the player doesn't stop and the pivot foot isn't established until the other foot touches.

Perhaps I didn't set-up my sitch very well. It is not meant to question a jump-stop.

A1 picks up his dribble, then pivots, then steps/jumps from pivot foot to non-pivot foot while retaining possession of the ball. If it is a step, it is legal. If it is a jump, it is illegal. Jumping while holding the ball and returning to the floor, when not part of a jumpstop and with no intervening action, is a violation isn't it?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

Perhaps I didn't set-up my sitch very well. It is not meant to question a jump-stop.

A1 picks up his dribble, then pivots, then steps/jumps from pivot foot to non-pivot foot while retaining possession of the ball. If it is a step, it is legal. If it is a jump, it is illegal. Jumping while holding the ball and returning to the floor, when not part of a jumpstop and with no intervening action, is a violation isn't it?

It is if the conditions in the rule are met.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It is if the conditions in the rule are met.

I admire your effort Bob, but you have been of little help. I have modified your answer so that it work with nearly any question involving a violation. Feel free to use it.

It is a violation if the conditions in the violation rule are met.

A little help anyone.

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

A1 picks up his dribble, then pivots, then steps/jumps from pivot foot to non-pivot foot while retaining possession of the ball. If it is a step, it is legal. If it is a jump, it is illegal. Jumping while holding the ball and returning to the floor, when not part of a jumpstop and with no intervening action, is a violation isn't it?

What you have described is LEGAL. The player did not put his/her pivot foot back on the ground after lifting it. It doesn't matter if they jump or step. In fact what you described would be what an athletic player usually does on a layup.

[tjchamp]

Look at 4.44.3.a. - The pivot foot may be lifted, but not returned to the floor, before the ball is released on a pass or try for goal. Until the players pivot returns to the floor you got nothing.

[Camron Rust]

It is sad that no one is giving you an answer to your actual question.

You are correct that the movement must be judged to either be a step or a jump....that the result is either legal or a violation depending on that judgement. There is no explicit rule or even guideline that has ever been published that defines either.

My rule of thumb is to judge the primary direction of the movement....up = jump, lateral = step.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

What you have described is LEGAL. The player did not put his/her pivot foot back on the ground after lifting it. It doesn't matter if they jump or step. In fact what you described would be what an athletic player usually does on a layup.

The problem with that is that after a jump NEITHER foot can return to the floor before passing/shooting.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

It doesn't matter if they jump or step. In fact what you described would be what an athletic player usually does on a layup.

Case in point: Lebron James Frequently on his drives he broad jumps from one foot to the other. Of course, in his case, this sometimes comes after he has already taken a step or two. Yet another move that young kids try to duplicate which is not legal in their games.

NBA Action!! A nightmare for NFHS officials.

Rule of thumb in layman's terms: Jump, step, whatever you wish to call it; if everything leaves the floor at once, nothing may return to the floor while holding the ball.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

I admire your effort Bob, but you have been of little help. I have modified your answer so that it work with nearly any question involving a violation. Feel free to use it.

It is a violation if the conditions in the violation rule are met.

A little help anyone.

That's because I didn't (don't) understand from your post what the player did in terms of the requirements of the rule. Did the player come to a stop? Was a pivot foot established (by the terms of the rule -- stopping, with only one foot on the floor does not establish that foot as the pivot foot)?

If both those answers are "yes", then I would envision a step as being within, well, stepping distance (say, 3' for a guard to 4' for a tall center) and mostly horizontal (the center of mass stays about 4' above the floor). A jump would be if the distance is more than that or the center of mass rises then falls.

It's judgment -- sometimes you just have to officiate.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It is sad that no one is giving you an answer to your actual question.

You are correct that the movement must be judged to either be a step or a jump....that the result is either legal or a violation depending on that judgement. There is no explicit rule or even guideline that has ever been published that defines either.

My rule of thumb is to judge the primary direction of the movement....up = jump, lateral = step.

An oasis in the desert. Thanks Cam, that is how I see it. If it looks like a jump, it was a jump, otherwise it is a step.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

That's because I didn't (don't) understand from your post what the player did in terms of the requirements of the rule. Did the player come to a stop? Was a pivot foot established (by the terms of the rule -- stopping, with only one foot on the floor does not establish that foot as the pivot foot)?

If both those answers are "yes", then I would envision a step as being within, well, stepping distance (say, 3' for a guard to 4' for a tall center) and mostly horizontal (the center of mass stays about 4' above the floor). A jump would be if the distance is more than that or the center of mass rises then falls.

It's judgment -- sometimes you just have to officiate.

I tried to express the idea of A1 stopping and pivoting, but it is not always easy to by concise and specific. This answer is the kind of info I was looking for.

Thanks Bob.