losing team wants ref apology

[Adam]

The worst part, to me, is that instead of being able to use this loss as a good lesson; the adults who are in charge are blaming a referee. No, the kids aren't responsible for actually fouling the shooter or not making layups; it's all the ref's fault.

Educational Malpractice.

[vbzebra]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The worst part, to me, is that instead of being able to use this loss as a good lesson; the adults who are in charge are blaming a referee. No, the kids aren't responsible for actually fouling the shooter or not making layups; it's all the ref's fault.

Educational Malpractice.

You forget...according to all parents, their kids have NEVER committed a foul!!

[asdf]

For a little perspective about the school.....

Google -- Trotwood Madison Probation

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by asdf

For a little perspective about the school.....

Google -- Trotwood Madison Probation

Sounds like the principal isn't principalling very well.

[walter]

This is the principal's entire statement on the situation. What a moron or should I say typical fanboy!!! I guess it doesn't matter that his team missed free throws, had a chance to steal the ball before the shot, etc. I agree with Rut, more of that "you can't call that at that time" BS!!! To me, all videos of the incident clearly show a foul. The reporter is an idiot as well.

GERALD COX: ‘VOICE TO BE HEARD’

“We have several students, parents, staff members, community members who believe that the call at the end of the game on Saturday was not the proper call. And that it should not have been made given the particular circumstances — the end of the game; district final; score tied. They just felt that the foul was not blatant enough, flagrant enough, whatever descriptor you want to use there.

“Many of the students and many of the staff have addressed letters to the Ohio High School Athletic Association either to Commissioner (Donald B.) Ross or to (Assistant) Commissioner Henry Zaborniak, the person whose responsibility would involve the officials, to review the circumstances and take some kind of action.

“I think most people at this point believe that the action would have to be something directed at the process and perhaps at that particular official or the officials in general. I don’t think anyone at this point is expecting that they’re going to re-play the game or the last few seconds of the game or anything like that. but they would like for their voice to be heard and the situation to be reviewed and to have some kind of response.

“The students have a petition going. I haven’t seen it. I don’t know what the specific words were that they used, but I know the substance of it is they just think that the call was not the proper call to make. So they’ve got their little petition going. They’ve got hundreds of student signatures. I think they said they’ve probably about 500 student signatures. They did send a letter off to the commissioner. They did have a secretary send that off for them earlier today.

“I’m addressing a letter to the commissioner myself and I believe our central administration is addressing a letter as well. Those are the district things that I am aware of. I also got word that several other members of the community were drafting or crafting some kinds of letters that they wanted to send off as well.

“News people came out and met with us today, and talked with myself, Coach (Mark) Baker, some student spokespeople. We had one member of the basketball team, senior Aaron Robinson, talk, and then the two young ladies who were coordinating that effort with the signatures and so forth spoke as well. And I thought everybody did a pretty nice job.

“I thought they represented themselves real well and were very clear about the fact that they bear Centerville no ill will. A couple of them actually congratulated Centerville on the victory and wished them well for the remainder of the season, and just focused on what they thought was the unfairness of the situation given the call that the official made. That’s pretty much what happened today. They’re asking for some kind of response, whatever that response is. Everyone is pretty unified in that.

“I think I would be happy if someone acknowledged that perhaps it was not the correct call to make and that they will, in fact, make sure that’s a part of the process that the officials go through. My understanding is the officials did huddle up with 6.6 seconds left in the game, and they did talk through that. They did say, ‘Hey, unless there’s a flagrant foul, we do not call a foul. This game goes to overtime.’

“I would like to think that officials do have that as part of their process and that they do, in fact, implement that when the time comes. I’m not sure why that didn’t happen. It was an official who told us that that’s the process they followed. And I’m not sure why they didn’t. I would like to see some acknowledgement that, ‘Yeah, that’s what should happen and that’s what we should have done. We made an error there. There was an error in judgement.’ Or something of that nature.

“And then perhaps that that one official is actually dealt with. And by dealt with, obviously I’m not talking about firing the official or anything. But I’d like to think that when an employee of mine does something that I believe is against district protocol, that I talk with him, document the conversation. You know, those kinds of things. I’d like to hear that.”

[GoodwillRef]

This letter brings to light a bigger issue...why is this guy a prinicpal?

What a Tool!

[Rich]

I watched the play. It was a good call, one that I hope I would make in the exact same scenario.

And I'll keep it unanimous -- the principal and the fans "protesting" are all tools.

[eyezen]

I was expecting to see some extremely erroneous rule application. What I saw was a routine judgment call.

[fullor30]

Another article on it...........like the Nicklaus quote.

I'm trying to figure out how the guy can rationalize that the other team can be put at a disadvantage and the call should not have been made.


DaytonDailyNews: Dayton, Ohio, news and information

[GoodwillRef]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Another article on it...........like the Nicklaus quote.

I'm trying to figure out how the guy can rationalize that the other team can be put at a disadvantage and the call should not have been made.


DaytonDailyNews: Dayton, Ohio, news and information

This article is great.

[fullor30]

Trotwood-Madison coach disciplined after 2 players fight

[kwv001]

I know the official who made this call. We belong to same local association here. I have seen him work enough to know that he would have made that call whether it happened as it did here in the last second of the game or the first second of the game, which is really all you can ask of an official. Isn't consistency what most "fans" scream for? They want it called the "same at both ends" and they want the 4th quarter called the same way as the first.

Ironically, that is exactly what seems to be the issue here. There is a message board devoted to discussion of high school sports here in southwest Ohio. You can imagine the type of discussion going on over there on this matter. It seems that the consensus there is that there was contact on the arm, it may or may not have altered the shot, but by rule it was a foul. Their issue is however, that it should not have been called with less than a second remaining in a tied game and should not have decided the game. Where in the rule book does it define the list of exceptions to the rules when the game is on the line in the last minute? A foul is a foul! How moronic!

Also, someone mentioned earlier the fact that the newspaper published the official's name. Absolutely nothing was accomplished by doing this, and in my opinion that is the epitome of irresponsible journalism. I realize it's not likely to happen, but I would like nothing more than to see the OHSAA pull this paper's credentials for the remainder of the tournament!

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by kwv001

Isn't consistency what most "fans" scream for? They want it called the "same at both ends" and they want the 4th quarter called the same way as the first.

Where did you ever get these ideas? Fans want the game called with bias favoring their team and they want the 4th quarter called to favor their team, just like the 1st, 2nd and 3rd quarters. When a coach or spectator yells, "Call it both ways" they mean "Call it our way". The only "consistency" they want is a constant favoring of their team.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by kwv001

Isn't consistency what most "fans" scream for? They want it called the "same at both ends" and they want the 4th quarter called the same way as the first.

That is what they say, but when it comes to actual practice, those cries fall short when you are dealing with actual situations. And this very situation proves that theory. Because if the foul was not called, I bet if the winning team lost in overtime, they would have spend time trying to suggest the officials "swallowed their whistle" at the wrong time.

Peace

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by kwv001

I know the official who made this call. We belong to same local association here. I have seen him work enough to know that he would have made that call whether it happened as it did here in the last second of the game or the first second of the game, which is really all you can ask of an official. Isn't consistency what most "fans" scream for? They want it called the "same at both ends" and they want the 4th quarter called the same way as the first.

Ironically, that is exactly what seems to be the issue here. There is a message board devoted to discussion of high school sports here in southwest Ohio. You can imagine the type of discussion going on over there on this matter. It seems that the consensus there is that there was contact on the arm, it may or may not have altered the shot, but by rule it was a foul. Their issue is however, that it should not have been called with less than a second remaining in a tied game and should not have decided the game. Where in the rule book does it define the list of exceptions to the rules when the game is on the line in the last minute? A foul is a foul! How moronic!

Also, someone mentioned earlier the fact that the newspaper published the official's name. Absolutely nothing was accomplished by doing this, and in my opinion that is the epitome of irresponsible journalism. I realize it's not likely to happen, but I would like nothing more than to see the OHSAA pull this paper's credentials for the remainder of the tournament!

I hope you let him know that we all support him, and I thought it was a great call.