losing team wants ref apology

[JugglingReferee]

I didn't see any contact.

To others: From 0:00 - 4:30, it is just two teams trading baskets. Skip all that. Start at 4:30 into the video, with the game tied at 51 and 0:06.6 on the clock.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I didn't see any contact.

To others: From 0:00 - 4:30, it is just two teams trading baskets. Skip all that. Start at 4:30 into the video, with the game tied at 51 and 0:06.6 on the clock.

No contact? look again. Sure looks like it to me, he clearly doesn't get any part of the ball yet the shot(10 footer) is grossly off.

Great call, and the right one.

I originally thought the disputed call was the block foul on black jersey team, I'm assuming they were in the double bonus.

[Adam]

The worst part, to me, is that instead of being able to use this loss as a good lesson; the adults who are in charge are blaming a referee. No, the kids aren't responsible for actually fouling the shooter or not making layups; it's all the ref's fault.

Educational Malpractice.

[vbzebra]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The worst part, to me, is that instead of being able to use this loss as a good lesson; the adults who are in charge are blaming a referee. No, the kids aren't responsible for actually fouling the shooter or not making layups; it's all the ref's fault.

Educational Malpractice.

You forget...according to all parents, their kids have NEVER committed a foul!!

[asdf]

For a little perspective about the school.....

Google -- Trotwood Madison Probation

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by asdf

For a little perspective about the school.....

Google -- Trotwood Madison Probation

Sounds like the principal isn't principalling very well.

[walter]

This is the principal's entire statement on the situation. What a moron or should I say typical fanboy!!! I guess it doesn't matter that his team missed free throws, had a chance to steal the ball before the shot, etc. I agree with Rut, more of that "you can't call that at that time" BS!!! To me, all videos of the incident clearly show a foul. The reporter is an idiot as well.

GERALD COX: ‘VOICE TO BE HEARD’

“We have several students, parents, staff members, community members who believe that the call at the end of the game on Saturday was not the proper call. And that it should not have been made given the particular circumstances — the end of the game; district final; score tied. They just felt that the foul was not blatant enough, flagrant enough, whatever descriptor you want to use there.

“Many of the students and many of the staff have addressed letters to the Ohio High School Athletic Association either to Commissioner (Donald B.) Ross or to (Assistant) Commissioner Henry Zaborniak, the person whose responsibility would involve the officials, to review the circumstances and take some kind of action.

“I think most people at this point believe that the action would have to be something directed at the process and perhaps at that particular official or the officials in general. I don’t think anyone at this point is expecting that they’re going to re-play the game or the last few seconds of the game or anything like that. but they would like for their voice to be heard and the situation to be reviewed and to have some kind of response.

“The students have a petition going. I haven’t seen it. I don’t know what the specific words were that they used, but I know the substance of it is they just think that the call was not the proper call to make. So they’ve got their little petition going. They’ve got hundreds of student signatures. I think they said they’ve probably about 500 student signatures. They did send a letter off to the commissioner. They did have a secretary send that off for them earlier today.

“I’m addressing a letter to the commissioner myself and I believe our central administration is addressing a letter as well. Those are the district things that I am aware of. I also got word that several other members of the community were drafting or crafting some kinds of letters that they wanted to send off as well.

“News people came out and met with us today, and talked with myself, Coach (Mark) Baker, some student spokespeople. We had one member of the basketball team, senior Aaron Robinson, talk, and then the two young ladies who were coordinating that effort with the signatures and so forth spoke as well. And I thought everybody did a pretty nice job.

“I thought they represented themselves real well and were very clear about the fact that they bear Centerville no ill will. A couple of them actually congratulated Centerville on the victory and wished them well for the remainder of the season, and just focused on what they thought was the unfairness of the situation given the call that the official made. That’s pretty much what happened today. They’re asking for some kind of response, whatever that response is. Everyone is pretty unified in that.

“I think I would be happy if someone acknowledged that perhaps it was not the correct call to make and that they will, in fact, make sure that’s a part of the process that the officials go through. My understanding is the officials did huddle up with 6.6 seconds left in the game, and they did talk through that. They did say, ‘Hey, unless there’s a flagrant foul, we do not call a foul. This game goes to overtime.’

“I would like to think that officials do have that as part of their process and that they do, in fact, implement that when the time comes. I’m not sure why that didn’t happen. It was an official who told us that that’s the process they followed. And I’m not sure why they didn’t. I would like to see some acknowledgement that, ‘Yeah, that’s what should happen and that’s what we should have done. We made an error there. There was an error in judgement.’ Or something of that nature.

“And then perhaps that that one official is actually dealt with. And by dealt with, obviously I’m not talking about firing the official or anything. But I’d like to think that when an employee of mine does something that I believe is against district protocol, that I talk with him, document the conversation. You know, those kinds of things. I’d like to hear that.”

[GoodwillRef]

This letter brings to light a bigger issue...why is this guy a prinicpal?

What a Tool!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by walter

“News people came out and met with us today, and talked with myself, Coach (Mark) Baker, some student spokespeople.

And this is from the chief educator at the school. Pathetic!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by walter

[B]“I think I would be happy if someone acknowledged that perhaps it was not the correct call to make and that they will, in fact, make sure that’s a part of the process that the officials go through. My understanding is the officials did huddle up with 6.6 seconds left in the game, and they did talk through that. They did say, ‘Hey, unless there’s a flagrant foul, we do not call a foul. This game goes to overtime.’

My gawd! I sure as hell hope they don't say that when they huddle up.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by walter

“And then perhaps that that one official is actually dealt with. And by dealt with, obviously I’m not talking about firing the official or anything. But I’d like to think that when an employee of mine does something that I believe is against district protocol, that I talk with him, document the conversation. You know, those kinds of things. I’d like to hear that.”[/B]

OK - here's the definitive criteria. Apparently, according to this schmuck, having an official call a foul when a player gets fouled is against district protocol. I guess this state's association is not an NF member and does not use NF rules. Why didn't they just say so in the first place?

This guy is indicative of what's wrong with public education these days. I think the official in question should offer to trade places with this guy. He should tell him, "You come out on the court and call the game and I'll talk to the media like an a$$hole."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by vbzebra

You forget...according to all parents, their kids have NEVER committed a foul!!

Parental malpractice.

[youngref33]

Looks to me that the school has alot of problems and are trying to blame other people.

I thought it was a great call.
If he hadn't of made it then the other team is going to be doing the same thing. The foul affected the shot, it didn't even hit the rim.

[Larks]

OHSAA SAID REF DIDN’T VIOLATE ANY RULES OR PROCEDURES

The Ohio High School Athletic Association had two words for Trotwood-Madison High School on Wednesday, March 18.

Case closed.

Trotwood-Madison wanted the OHSAA to acknowledge that referee xxxxxx xxxxxxxx made a mistake by calling a foul with eight-tenths of a second remaining in the Rams’ 52-51 Division I district championship loss to Centerville at UD Arena on Saturday, March 14.

But the governing body of Ohio high school athletics refused that acknowledgment because the official did not violate any rules or procedures.

“If a rule was misinterpreted or an official’s procedure was misapplied, then that is something we would potentially acknowledge,” said Tim Stried, OHSAA’s director of information services. “But this (Trotwood’s complaint) doesn’t have anything to do with that. Several of us watched the video and it’s clear the official thought it was a foul, and that’s the end of the story. It’s over.”

OHSAA bylaws prohibit schools from protesting the outcome of games.

“It’s for this very reason,” Stried said. “If we allowed protests, gosh, we’d have a thousand protests a month from folks who said there was a missed call or a bad call. That’s why we don’t allow for protests. Officials’ decisions at the site are final.”

Trotwood principal Gerald Cox said he addressed his concerns in a letter to the OHSAA, and that he’ll comment after contacting the association.

[dave30]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The worst part, to me, is that instead of being able to use this loss as a good lesson; the adults who are in charge are blaming a referee. No, the kids aren't responsible for actually fouling the shooter or not making layups; it's all the ref's fault.

Educational Malpractice.

They shouldn't have let it come down to that one call. If they want to blame someone, blame themselves. I'm sure somebody missed a couple of free throws or a layup somewhere that kept them from winning by five or so points.