Nevada-La Tech Correctable Error

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

Since the error was discovered when the clock was running and was caught before the 2nd live ball, wouldn't this error still be correctable?

The phrase "second live ball" refers to second from the correctable error, not second from the time of discovery. So, no.

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by mbyron

The phrase "second live ball" refers to second from the correctable error, not second from the time of discovery. So, no.

Thanks for your clarification.

[Adam]

"when the clock is running and the ball is dead" refers specifically to a three point shot that is erroneously counted as two or a two point shot that is counted as three. These are the only correctable errors that can happen while the clock is running.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

"when the clock is running and the ball is dead" refers specifically to a three point shot that is erroneously counted as two or a two point shot that is counted as three. These are the only correctable errors that can happen while the clock is running.

No, that's not true. 2-10-3 does apply to 2-10-1e. But that is not the only CE that can happen while the clock is running.

If two shots are merited, only one is given and is missed, and the clock then starts, a CE has occurred while the clock is running. That's why it has to be recognized at the first dead ball.

[Adam]

I guess I consider all FT errors to occur while the clock is stopped. I can see how one could consider this error to be be a split second later when the clock started. It doesn't matter, though, the point of no return is the same regardless; I think.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Isn't the NCAA correctable error rule basically the same as NFHS? Tech was incorrectly awarded 1&1 in a 2 shot situation. Player missed the first. Nevada rebounded, went down and scored. Tech inbounded, crossed the division line and called timeout. After a lengthy delay, the Tech player was given his other free throw. Then Tech got the ball back, and according to the announcers, Tech was not charged with a timeout.

Okay, I was at the game and spoke with both the official scorer and the La Tech coaches after the game. It was the stat guy on the La Tech bench who first caught the error.

Your summary of the events is 100% accurate. The officials did NOT get the play right BY RULE because it was too late to correct the unawarded FT. However, they may have done what was fair by fixing it a few seconds later than allowed. That is going to be a matter of opinion. The score was 68-57 when the FT was missed. It was 70-57 when the time-out was taken and the FT was awarded late. #15 made it to bring the score to 70-58 and La Tech scored a basket on the ensuing possession to make it 70-60. I'll also mention that the player dribbled to half court right in front of the table when La Tech's coach requested the time-out, but the officials administered the POI throw-in from the division line OPPOSITE the table after going back and awarding the forgotten FT.

Now tableside or opposite for the POI throw-in isn't a big deal, but it is one more detail that was handled incorrectly.

Lastly, this incident is from the first semi-final!
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Updated: March 14, 2009, 11:46 AM ET
'Big Blue' torments 'Pistol Pete' for $100


Associated Press


RENO, Nev. -- The mascots for Utah State and New Mexico State got physical with each other down the stretch of the teams' Western Athletic Conference tournament semifinal Friday night.
During a timeout with 7 seconds left and New Mexico State leading 70-69, Utah State's mascot, "Big Blue" the bull, confronted New Mexico State's "Pistol Pete" cowboy mascot and ripped off his fake mustache.
The cowboy then chased the bull to halfcourt, jumped on his back and tried unsuccessfully to pull him to the floor.
"Pistol Pete" then started to try to choke his rival before retreating to his end of the court.
Several newspaper photographers covering the game said they heard a man in a Nevada shirt offer the Utah State mascot $100 to go grab the mustache.
The man confirmed to The Associated Press that was true and that he paid the mascot the $100, but declined to provide his name. He said he did not expect New Mexico State's "Pistol Pete" to respond the way he did.
WAC commissioner Karl Benson was watching the game but said he missed the incident.
After fans for both teams started booing, Utah State's Tai Wesley caught an inbounds pass at the top of the lane and passed to Tyler Newbold on the left wing.
Newbold's 15-foot shot rolled off the rim, hit the backboard and rolled in with 3.1 seconds on the clock to help Utah State (29-4) overcome a 13-point deficit for a 71-70 win to set a school record for victories in a season.
Utah State, the league's regular-season champion, advanced to Saturday night's WAC final against second-seeded Nevada.

Copyright 2009 by The Associated Press

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Your summary of the events is 100% accurate.

Thanks, Dad. You sound surprised.

The officials did NOT get the play right BY RULE because it was too late to correct the unawarded FT. However, they may have done what was fair by fixing it a few seconds later than allowed.

What does fair have to do with anything? I can't believe you of all people said this.

[Nevadaref]

Please don't misinterpret my post by thinking that I am an advocate of the "fairness" position, but I believe that it was a necessary comment to make as there has to be a plausible reason for the officials doing what they did because during the discussion it did certainly did come up that they were technically past the point of correction because of the advancement of the ball to half court following the throw-in and prior to the time-out request.

Despite that fact, the officials still decided to award the FT.


Catch you later. I'm off to watch the final.

[AKOFL]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Please don't misinterpret my post by thinking that I am an advocate of the "fairness" position, but I believe that it was a necessary comment to make as there has to be a plausible reason for the officials doing what they did because during the discussion it did certainly did come up that they were technically past the point of correction because of the advancement of the ball to half court following the throw-in and prior to the time-out request.

Despite that fact, the officials still decided to award the FT.


Catch you later. I'm off to watch the final.

I used to respect Nevedareff, but now I don't know. He is rubbing our face in the fact he gets to watch college games LIVE. I hate him now I'm just jealous.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Please don't misinterpret my post by thinking that I am an advocate of the "fairness" position, but I believe that it was a necessary comment to make as there has to be a plausible reason for the officials doing what they did because during the discussion it did certainly did come up that they were technically past the point of correction because of the advancement of the ball to half court following the throw-in and prior to the time-out request.

Despite that fact, the officials still decided to award the FT.

So the D1 guys calling the tournament semifinal discussed the situation and the rules, and decided to go with what was fair instead. The part that surprises me is that you muddied up your post by including that as the reason. And yet you scold me for refusing to acknowledge blarges and making on the spot adjustments during 5th grade games.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

I used to respect Nevedareff, but now I don't know. He is rubbing our face in the fact he gets to watch college games LIVE. I hate him now I'm just jealous.

Just landed tickets to Boise for this Friday and Sunday!

[AKOFL]

Now your just being mean.

[BktBallRef]

WTF is Boise? Is the floor blue? Do they have indoor plumbing?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

WTF is Boise? Is the floor blue? Do they have indoor plumbing?

Sort of. I don't know which floor they will use. The first picture is from the NCAA tournament in 2005. The second was taken during the 2007 season.

[BktBallRef]

I can go to Greensboro for $275. Carolina, Duke, and whoever else. Haven't decided yet.