the stare down

[SmokeEater]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I almost fell out of my seat laughing so hard.

What do you want officials to do then? Not say anything or do anything to a kid to ever intimidate them? If players think they can do whatever without consequences, they will do it. We have the right to let them know they are crossing a line or close to that line.

This is the problem with our society. We have adults that advocate that people in authority cannot do things to restore order. I can tell you what I am going to do is a lot nicer than the woman that yelled at the kid in the stands that said something inappropriate. Our tool is to also T, but if I can prevent that with some intimidation that they know I am aware of their behavior or their teammates are aware of their behavior, that is a win-win for me.

It is my right as an adult to not have some kid in my face when I am in an authoritative position like an official, teacher, coach, principal or most of all parents.

Peace

I am sorry if my opinion is not conducive to your opinion. But hopefully you can conceed I am entitled to mine.

Now as an answer to some of the items you mentioned you have other resources to deal with these kids who are crossing the line, Technicals or if they get in your "face" as you say, then toss them I suppose.

BUT it is my honest opinion that you make the call and move on, you don't stand there and stare at a young person and "try" (term used loosly) to intimidate them. That is all I am saying, Do one or the other but don't be the big Bully (again loose terminology).

I understand Juulies meaning when she says give them the look. I already clarified that. The intent that you seem to find in my comments is unfounded.
I don't see any point in continuing this further.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

I am sorry if my opinion is not conducive to your opinion. But hopefully you can conceed I am entitled to mine.

When did I say you were not entitled to your opinion? That is why we are here right, to share opinions right?

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

Now as an answer to some of the items you mentioned you have other resources to deal with these kids who are crossing the line, Technicals or if they get in your "face" as you say, then toss them I suppose.

There was no suggestion that the official got in the kids face. But if getting in a kid's face is a problem then what do you want officials to do when they want to talk directly to a player. I have had several times where players are doing the little "You push my hand, I am going to move your hand" routine. Do you think I do not say anything to the players or approach them? I guess I am getting in their face by doing this based on how you want things to be handled. BTW, the best officials I know have tools in their toolbox to handle situations without giving a T.

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

BUT it is my honest opinion that you make the call and move on, you don't stand there and stare at a young person and "try" (term used loosly) to intimidate them. That is all I am saying, Do one or the other but don't be the big Bully (again loose terminology).

Once again, the claim was this was only 3 or 4 seconds long. Based on how it is taught by many clinicians (and since I am one in my state and this did happen in my state); it is encouraged that officials stay at the spot of the foul and not just leave. I know I have stood around longer at the spot when players hit the floor or to make sure I get the proper number when the foul is in a crowd. It is possible that the "scowl" was not an intentional act and no one has pointed it out to the official. Or it could have been a purposeful act to let the player know to knock it off or he is being watched. Without video none of us really will know for sure. It is possible that Fullor30 is reading too much into the situation. I know I have no problem being asked about things I do. Many officials I know come in and ask questions after the game (during the playoffs) so they can have situations clarified so they can learn. I know I do the very same thing when I watch games. I just think there is too much speculation without actually talking to the official.

Originally Posted by SmokeEater

I understand Juulies meaning when she says give them the look. I already clarified that. The intent that you seem to find in my comments is unfounded.
I don't see any point in continuing this further.

On some level I feel they are unfounded. I feel that way for one I have never heard anyone suggest you cannot look at players (officials or camps that have much more information than I could ever offer at this time). And that is why many people here that are veterans have told you they do similar things or have seen the tool used. It just sound like you personally do not like the tactic (which is your right) but have not explained why it should not be used other than a personal opinion. That is why it is unfounded on some level to me (your words not mine).

Peace