the stare down

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I think this is more about your preception of what took place than whether it is acceptable or not. Now I was not there and maybe it was not the best look, but if that is all the official did, I can live with that. You are not accusing him of saying anything inappropriate. If all he did was look (scowl or glare) I can live with this. And as I said this works for me very well. It sends the message I want to send and it usually stops the behavior and I have not said a single word.



If I am not on point, what are you suggesting the official do? Why is it inappropriate for an authority figure to simply look at a "student" when their behavior is inappropriate? Remember, you added all the "gotcha" stuff in the look. You or I have no idea what was said before and what was said afterwards. And even if that was the look, so what, the kid has not business popping off or acting like this is the NBA. Kids should accept the call and go to their next position.

Peace

Their behavior was not inappropriate, that's the point.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Their behavior was not inappropriate, that's the point.

Are you saying the player's behavior was not inappropriate?

If that is what you are saying, how do you know? Did you hear what was said? Did you know what was said earlier?

Peace

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Are you saying the player's behavior was not inappropriate?

If that is what you are saying, how do you know? Did you hear what was said? Did you know what was said earlier?

Peace

Counselor, it's the truth and the whole truth. Why did you assume it was just involving one player?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Counselor, it's the truth and the whole truth. Why did you assume it was on one player? It was just about every foul called on every player from both teams.

I did not assume anything. You did not say it happen on every play or multiple times. You described a situation as if it was one event or something that was possibly rare.

Honestly if you were put off by the actions, I can tell you that there are people that might not have a problem with the situation. And that is why you had multiple people here have a different position than you did.

Once again, none of us was there. You were there. But if you said this was a playoff game (and at this time of year it was a rather high assignment) they must be doing something right. This is one of the hardest playoff periods to get whether it is boy's or girl's basketball by any official. If this was a common action by the official in question, it is clear it did not hurt that official in the past.

We are just going to have to disagree on this one unless you can give some video or a picture that might shed some light on what did or did not happen in more detail.

Peace

[grunewar]

On an oft occasion I have used the infamous "stare down" on Rec Parents!

Yep. When mom or dad shoots their mouth off real loud for everyone in the gym to hear and I'm standing right there, I have turned and given "the stare" and found it has worked very effectively in the few cases I have employed it. Mom or dad are usually embarrassed and realize their next comment may be from the parking lot...... Just my $.02.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I did not assume anything. You did not say it happen on every play or multiple times. You described a situation as if it was one event or something that was possibly rare.

Honestly if you were put off by the actions, I can tell you that there are people that might not have a problem with the situation. And that is why you had multiple people here have a different position than you did.

Once again, none of us was there. You were there. But if you said this was a playoff game (and at this time of year it was a rather high assignment) they must be doing something right. This is one of the hardest playoff periods to get whether it is boy's or girl's basketball by any official. If this was a common action by the official in question, it is clear it did not hurt that official in the past.

We are just going to have to disagree on this one unless you can give some video or a picture that might shed some light on what did or did not happen in more detail.

Peace

Sounds fair.

[TheOracle]

Originally Posted by fullor30

Their behavior was not inappropriate, that's the point.

F30, yes, there are a lot of times when an official goes into intimidation mode. He wants all the attention on himself. He's a prima donna. More times than not, these looks are unnecessary and inapporpriate. I woul dbet that this is one of those times.

However, when an official has credibility with players and coaches, they can use looks and growls to get their point across without having to resort to borderline technical fouls. The good ones are also not terribly obvious about it.

When you treat players and coaches with respect, and have to go to one of these tools, the effect is swift and enormous. It's like hearing Mike Brady say the F word. It works in measured doses.

For those who say intimidation has no part in this game, and that T's should be used, that's fine. But this is a competitive game with type A people. That means at some point everyone has to take it and move on. Sometimes players and coaches get a shot in, especially on a 50/50 call. Other times the official needs to establish his presence, when a reaction is too much.

Do what you have to do, but I agree with you 100% that many people do the stare down when they shouldn't, or worse, can't.