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Old Mon Mar 02, 2009, 04:12pm
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1. Get rid of all the uniform rules that officials have to enforce during a game.
2. Get rid of all uniform rules that officials have to enforce during a game.
3. Get rid of all rules that turn officials into the fashion police.
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Old Mon Mar 02, 2009, 06:01pm
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In a close gamy the team that is behind deserves to have an opportunity to get the ball back.
What exactly do you mean? First of all, they have all the opportunity in the world: steal. Second, neither team is deserving of anything other than a game fairly played according to the spirit and intent of the rules.

There are multiple problems in the current system that were either never originally intended or have grown into a huge problem. First, as the rules currently are, the committee is allowing to commit rules infractions specifically to gain an advantage. They allow fouls to stop the clock as an "acceptable coaching strategy." I disagree strongly with that, but be that as it may, change the rule so that it becomes less effective. Can you name any other sport that essentially allows infractions by teams to gain an advantage?

Second, with the advent of the 3 point shot 2 decades ago, teams gain a huge advantage by essentially trading a (potentially) 2 shot foul for a 3 point attempt (everything else going as planned). Unless we can come up with a third bonus free throw after, say, 12 fouls, or eliminate the 1 and 1 and go to 2 shots at 7 fouls and 3 shots at 10 (something I'd be willing to discuss), then this is nothing but an advantage for a team that, again, commits a rules infraction.

Finally, these games are taking too damn long. Games with 32 playing minutes are often taking 3 times that to complete. Either due to coaching or other factors, the game is much more physical than it was 2 decades essentially forcing us to call more fouls. Teams with 15 players don't really fear foul-outs much, and because free throw shooting, by and large, is so abysmal, teams don't really concern themselves with foul counts. The committee has got to step back and say, "hey, this isn't where we want this sport to go."
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I haven't had these problems with the end-of-game fouling.

1. Normally, you only get one or two of these strategic fouls before it either works or backfires. After that, the game is usually too close or too far. And, it's a small percentage of games where this is even attempted.

2. I can't recall the last game I had that took an hour and a half, must be a regional thing.

I think you're attempting to solve a problem that is purely philosophical.
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Two halves.

Stop clock in the 2nd half (see above) under a minute.
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How about held ball goes to the defence? Keep the arrow for the quarters but reward the defence for their hard work.
Player control fouls gone, all become team control fouls.
How can you commit a player control foul when you don't have the ball anymore. (airbourn shooter after release) This needs to change to be more like college.
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How about held ball goes to the defence? Keep the arrow for the quarters but reward the defence for their hard work.
Player control fouls gone, all become team control fouls.
How can you commit a player control foul when you don't have the ball anymore. (airbourn shooter after release) This needs to change to be more like college.
How do you determine who was on defense off a rebound? Team control ends on the release. Dick Vitale is in need of a new idea. Not that a new idea for him will be a good one.
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How about held ball goes to the defence? Keep the arrow for the quarters but reward the defence for their hard work.
Player control fouls gone, all become team control fouls.
How can you commit a player control foul when you don't have the ball anymore. (airbourn shooter after release) This needs to change to be more like college.
What happens on a held ball after shot try, there is no defense because there is No team control after the shot is released.
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What happens on a held ball after shot try, there is no defense because there is No team control after the shot is released.
There's a reason they stopped this very brief and silly experiment in the NCAA.
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How can you commit a player control foul when you don't have the ball anymore. (airbourn shooter after release) This needs to change to be more like college.
How can A1 jump and release a try and then be fouled before he returns to the floor and be awarded free throws?
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How can A1 jump and release a try and then be fouled before he returns to the floor and be awarded free throws?
That is not considered a player control foul. That particular foul is on the defence and therefor a foul in the act of shooting. Has nothing to do with player control which is foul by the guy who HAD the ball and now does not. Help me out if I'm only seeing my side of this.
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I'm not familiar with your rules, however, I'll throw a couple of points into this thread:

1. FIBA will be moving to an Americanized set of rules in 2010 and 2012. Starting with a no-charge semi circle, a rectangular key-way and a 14 and 24 second reset on our shot clock depending on what occurs.

Secondly, I agree with giving a heldball to the defensive team, however, if the held ball is occured after a looseball situation - including a shot, we should simply consult the AP arrow.

Thirdly, I don't know how often this happens in your neck of the woods, and whether you all have a rule about it, but heres what I'd like to see:

Player A1 is close to a boundary line, with the ball, closely guarded by B1. A1 is stuck with no pass, and cannot dribble, so they throw the ball, intentionally off B1. In my book, this should be a turnover by A1, and not an out of bounds by B1...
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Old Tue Mar 03, 2009, 09:22am
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How about held ball goes to the defence? Keep the arrow for the quarters but reward the defence for their hard work.
NCAA tried it -- it didn't work. The offense's job is to keep the ball; the defense's job is to get the ball. Neither quite succeeded, so give each "1/2 a cookie" -- one gets the ball; the other gets the arrow.

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Player control fouls gone, all become team control fouls.
How is this different (other than from a purely definitional sense) from what we have now?

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How can you commit a player control foul when you don't have the ball anymore. (airbourn shooter after release) This needs to change to be more like college.
Because the action that led to the foul occurred while the player still had PC. I'd be more in favor of having NCAAM switch back the the NCAAW / FED rule on this.
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Fed: Add shot clock...team control on throw-in when at the disposal of thrower

NCAA-M: Airborn shooter to match Fed rule.
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Fed: Add shot clock
Not an expense a lot of school districts would like to add to their budget.
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Old Tue Mar 03, 2009, 10:33pm
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Not an expense a lot of school districts would like to add to their budget.
I live in Washington state, where the girls already have a shot clock, so I think we should add it for the boys and the schools would incur zero additional expense because all the schools already have the infrastructure.
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