2009-2010 rule changes

[AKOFL]

How about held ball goes to the defence? Keep the arrow for the quarters but reward the defence for their hard work.
Player control fouls gone, all become team control fouls.
How can you commit a player control foul when you don't have the ball anymore. (airbourn shooter after release) This needs to change to be more like college.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

How about held ball goes to the defence? Keep the arrow for the quarters but reward the defence for their hard work.
Player control fouls gone, all become team control fouls.
How can you commit a player control foul when you don't have the ball anymore. (airbourn shooter after release) This needs to change to be more like college.

How do you determine who was on defense off a rebound? Team control ends on the release. Dick Vitale is in need of a new idea. Not that a new idea for him will be a good one.

[williebfree]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

How about held ball goes to the defence? Keep the arrow for the quarters but reward the defence for their hard work.
Player control fouls gone, all become team control fouls.
How can you commit a player control foul when you don't have the ball anymore. (airbourn shooter after release) This needs to change to be more like college.

What happens on a held ball after shot try, there is no defense because there is No team control after the shot is released.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by williebfree

What happens on a held ball after shot try, there is no defense because there is No team control after the shot is released.

There's a reason they stopped this very brief and silly experiment in the NCAA.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

How can you commit a player control foul when you don't have the ball anymore. (airbourn shooter after release) This needs to change to be more like college.

How can A1 jump and release a try and then be fouled before he returns to the floor and be awarded free throws?

[AKOFL]

Originally Posted by LDUB

How can A1 jump and release a try and then be fouled before he returns to the floor and be awarded free throws?

That is not considered a player control foul. That particular foul is on the defence and therefor a foul in the act of shooting. Has nothing to do with player control which is foul by the guy who HAD the ball and now does not. Help me out if I'm only seeing my side of this.

[Cleefy]

I'm not familiar with your rules, however, I'll throw a couple of points into this thread:

1. FIBA will be moving to an Americanized set of rules in 2010 and 2012. Starting with a no-charge semi circle, a rectangular key-way and a 14 and 24 second reset on our shot clock depending on what occurs.

Secondly, I agree with giving a heldball to the defensive team, however, if the held ball is occured after a looseball situation - including a shot, we should simply consult the AP arrow.

Thirdly, I don't know how often this happens in your neck of the woods, and whether you all have a rule about it, but heres what I'd like to see:

Player A1 is close to a boundary line, with the ball, closely guarded by B1. A1 is stuck with no pass, and cannot dribble, so they throw the ball, intentionally off B1. In my book, this should be a turnover by A1, and not an out of bounds by B1...

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by AKOFL

How about held ball goes to the defence? Keep the arrow for the quarters but reward the defence for their hard work.

NCAA tried it -- it didn't work. The offense's job is to keep the ball; the defense's job is to get the ball. Neither quite succeeded, so give each "1/2 a cookie" -- one gets the ball; the other gets the arrow.

Player control fouls gone, all become team control fouls.

How is this different (other than from a purely definitional sense) from what we have now?

How can you commit a player control foul when you don't have the ball anymore. (airbourn shooter after release) This needs to change to be more like college.

Because the action that led to the foul occurred while the player still had PC. I'd be more in favor of having NCAAM switch back the the NCAAW / FED rule on this.

[JLMatthew]

Fed: Add shot clock...team control on throw-in when at the disposal of thrower

NCAA-M: Airborn shooter to match Fed rule.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by JLMatthew

Fed: Add shot clock

Not an expense a lot of school districts would like to add to their budget.

[JLMatthew]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Not an expense a lot of school districts would like to add to their budget.

I live in Washington state, where the girls already have a shot clock, so I think we should add it for the boys and the schools would incur zero additional expense because all the schools already have the infrastructure.

[ga314ref]

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett

Not an expense a lot of school districts would like to add to their budget.

I don't know if they did this in other parts of the country, but in NYC, in the '70s, girls basketball had a 30-second clock. I would think the new clocks would be cheaper.

[Lcubed48]

1) The coaches can only request TO's during dead ball situations.
2) The color of a team's headbands must all be the same color - whatever color that maybe.
3) The color of a team's undershirts must all be the same color - whatever color that maybe.
4) Change the PC proviso to end on the release of the try or tap.
5) I, also, like the request to not grant a TO when there is a change of status about to occur. (Yes, it would be a return to yesteryear.)

I did not serve "T" this season to any coach. My biggest problem with coaches this season was with the requesting and granting of TO's during live ball situations. One can only wish and hope!

[AKOFL]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

NCAA tried it -- it didn't work. The offense's job is to keep the ball; the defense's job is to get the ball. Neither quite succeeded, so give each "1/2 a cookie" -- one gets the ball; the other gets the arrow.

The defence should be rewarded for keeping the offence from doing their job. Just some thoughts and I see your point. This would probably make more problems for us to deal with.

How is this different (other than from a purely definitional sense) from what we have now?

Just to make make it one signal for all

Because the action that led to the foul occurred while the player still had PC. I'd be more in favor of having NCAAM switch back the the NCAAW / FED rule on this.

What is the def of player control? A pass and crash is similar and that is only a team control foul. Granted no shot attempt but they still jump to pass and commite the foul after the realease and have no player control, so ruled a team control. Thoughts? How do you guys change color of sentances and bold type words?