FIBA Substitutions

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Cleefy

Team A has no substitutes sitting on their bench, and is playing on the court with 5 players. Coach requests that we sub one of their players off onto the bench so that he can talk to him.

I know that his is a FIBA question, but for most of us that deal with NFHS rules, would this be allowed? I don't think so, but I'm open to other opinions.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

I know that his is a FIBA question, but for most of us that deal with NFHS rules, would this be allowed? I don't think so, but I'm open to other opinions.

No. If you have 5, you must play 5.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

No. If you have 5, you must play 5.

Kind of like, "Smoke em if you have em".

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

From the FIBA Rules Book:

4.2 Rule
4.2.1 Each team shall consist of:
• No more than twelve (12) team members entitled to play, including a captain.
• A coach and, if a team wishes, an assistant coach.
• A maximum of five (5) team followers who may sit on the team bench and have special responsibilities, e.g. manager, doctor, physiotherapist, statistician, interpreter, etc.
4.2.2 Five (5) players from each team shall be on the playing court during playing time and may be substituted.
4.2.3 A substitute becomes a player and a player becomes a substitute when:
• The official beckons the substitute to enter the playing court.
• During a time-out or an interval of play, a substitute requests the substitution to the scorer.

It is my reading of FIBA R4.2.2 that the Team in the OP must play with five players if it has five eligible players.

MTD, Sr.

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

From the FIBA Rules Book:

4.2 Rule
4.2.1 Each team shall consist of:
• No more than twelve (12) team members entitled to play, including a captain.
• A coach and, if a team wishes, an assistant coach.
• A maximum of five (5) team followers who may sit on the team bench and have special responsibilities, e.g. manager, doctor, physiotherapist, statistician, interpreter, etc.
4.2.2 Five (5) players from each team shall be on the playing court during playing time and may be substituted.
4.2.3 A substitute becomes a player and a player becomes a substitute when:
• The official beckons the substitute to enter the playing court.
• During a time-out or an interval of play, a substitute requests the substitution to the scorer.

It is my reading of FIBA R4.2.2 that the Team in the OP must play with five players if it has five eligible players.

MTD, Sr.

21.1 Rule
A team shall lose a game by default if, during the game, the team has fewer than two (2) players on the playing court ready to play.

Therefore it's allowed to have fewer that five players on the court. We are not to judge why a coach wants a player to sit on the bench: if the coach says that the player cannot play, that's enough. If there is no substitute, they will play four against five. Where's the problem? Do you know whether that player suffers from asthma? On the contrary, I see problems in forcing a player to remain on the court. The official in this case is assuming the responsibility of the decision.

Ciao

[Adam]

Sorry, eg-italy, but I read it Mark's way. If they have 5, they shall play five. "Shall" is the same as "must" with the rules.

Rule 21.1 would mean that if they are down to one eligible player, they would forfeit.

If they want to rest a player, nothing prevents that player from sitting down on the court for a short time.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If they want to rest a player, nothing prevents that player from sitting down on the court for a short time.

Same thing applies to officials. That's what I do, when I need to catch my breath. My partner can handle things by himself, or herself, for a few moments.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

From the FIBA Rules Book.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.: I always knew that you were somewhat of an expert in NFHS rules, and in NCAA rules, but I didn't know that you were also a FIBA guy. How do you keep each rule set straight? And the mechanics? We have one official on our local board who also officiates all three rule sets, and in fact, officiated at the Olympic Games in Beijing this past summer. How do you guys do this? Now, where is my remote control?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.: I always knew that you were somewhat of an expert in NFHS rules, and in NCAA rules, but I didn't know that you were also a FIBA guy. How do you keep each rule set straight? And the mechanics? We have one official on our local board who also officiates all three rule sets, and in fact, officiated at the Olympic Games in Beijing this past summer. How do you guys do this? Now, where is my remote control?

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