Beginner Ref With Questions

[Carsongamer]

Well I know we do have modifications, and I know them as well, but there are several rules I just want to clear up. Such as, would you call a double-foul on a Charge/Block situation if you couldn't determine which was committed?

Oh and I double-checked, were operating under the " National Federation of State High School Athletic Associations". I can probably google the rulebook

[mick]

Originally Posted by Carsongamer

...Would you call a double-foul on a Charge/Block situation if you couldn't determine which was committed?

No. One official should call one foul or the other foul. Never call both.

[Adam]

If you want to move up and do this for a while, it would do you well to buy a copy of the rule book. There isn't a copy of the NFHS rule book available on line, that I know of, for free.

1. You need to decide if the defender had position. This does not mean they need to be set, they need to be in position. Once they establish Legal Guarding Position, they may actually be moving backwards or sideways when contact is made and still draw the charging foul against the offense. Coaches at the sub-varsity level of high school sometimes have a hard time with this one, so you can expect problems at the elementary level. In my opinion, if it's close enough to question, give the foul to the offense; thus rewarding good defense.

2. A coach going berserk in a youth game like this is going to be a quick T for me. Let him ask his question if he wants, but he does not get to yell at you and berate you for (what he thinks) missing a call.

3. A coach asking for my name to report me is likely to get a T as well. That's a threat.

4. You just have to learn how to ignore fans.

5. A player who falls with the ball in his possession travels. A player who gathers the ball while on the floor may slide, but may not roll or attempt to get up. Does this help?

6. Only the NBA has a rule against defenders "camping in the key." In NFHS and NCAA rules, it only applies to players whose team is in control with the ball in the front court.

7. Intentional fouls are called by crossing the arms in an X. The fouled player gets 2 free throws, and the fouled team will get a throwin at the spot nearest the foul.

8. Generally, two technical fouls are required before disqualification. The exception is if the first is considered flagrant.

[Carsongamer]

Shaq, that was actually really helpful thank you. In regards to the "legal guarding position", what exactly does that constitute? Watching youtube videos, i've seen players get called with the charge when the defender was set, but moved slightly sideways into the shooter.

Your right though about coaches and those calls at this level.

Also, let me make sure I have this right. You call an "illegal screen", when a player who is set into a screen moves to impeed the path of an offensive player with or without the ball correct? If its a "blind screen", then no foul is called. Now if an offensive player screens and a defensive player runs over him, this is a charge correct? Would an illegal screen mechanic be the same for a block?

I just have these few situational questions so thanks for your input

[Adam]

Again, I highly recommend getting a rule book. Rule 4 is where you should start, Definitions. That said, LGP is gained when a defender has two feet on the floor facing his opponent. Note, there's no time requirement, nor is there a requirement that he be stationary to gain LGP. Once LGP is gained, it may be maintained by moving sideways or backwards as long as the player is not moving into the offensive player when contact occurs.

I wouldn't call it an "illegal screen." Call it a block or a push or (maybe) a hold.

Defending a player with the ball is different than a player without the ball. On ball defenders have more rights than off ball, as far as movement is concerned. Off ball, screening principals apply to both sides. On ball, the defender does not need to provide time or distance as long as he is either in LGP or stationary.

Blind screens off ball must provide time and distance (no more than 1 step) or the screener can be called for a foul. If a blind screen has provided sufficient distance, then the contact may be severe without a foul so long as the screened player attempts to stop upon contact.

You are correct, running through a screen is a charging foul.

There is no "illegal screen" mechanic. It's a foul, either blocking, pushing, charging, or holding. Is the mechanic that fits the nature of the foul. If you verbalize it when you report, don't say "illegal screen."

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

2. A coach going berserk in a youth game like this is going to be a quick T for me. Let him ask his question if he wants, but he does not get to yell at you and berate you for (what he thinks) missing a call.

I agree with Snaq but will amplify: coaches don't get to yell at you even if you did miss a call. Be careful how you handle it, though. At the first instance of yelling, tell the coach, "Coach, I'd be happy to listen to your question, but we're not going to yell today."

At the start of my second year, I blew a call. A1 goes up for a shot, B1 gets a hand on the ball, A1 comes down with it. Tweet! Travel, we're going the other way.

Well, crap, I thought, that should have been a held ball. The A coach is hollering: "that's a jump ball! that's a jump ball!" As I run past him, I nod and say, "You're right, coach, sorry."

He looked at me, started to say something, then just said, "Thank you." Didn't have a problem with him after that.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Carsongamer

..... would you call a double-foul on a Charge/Block situation if you couldn't determine which was committed?

For the love of God, NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

[Carsongamer]

I wouldn't think so, but I keep hearing the term "blarge" in reference to it. Like this video here: YouTube - Block Charge Play Seems like an obvious charging to me as the player was in a LGP, but no call?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Carsongamer

I wouldn't think so, but I keep hearing the term "blarge" in reference to it. Like this video here: YouTube - Block Charge Play Seems like an obvious charging to me as the player was in a LGP, but no call?

This was a no call. What does it have to do with a blarge?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Carsongamer

I wouldn't think so, but I keep hearing the term "blarge" in reference to it. Like this video here: YouTube - Block Charge Play Seems like an obvious charging to me as the player was in a LGP, but no call?

A blarge is a very specific play in which each official has a whistle and both immediately signal their call. If, on the same play, one official comes in signaling hard for a PC (charge) and the other comes in just as hard signaling a block, the rule says you go with the double foul. By rule, a "blarge" is otherwise impossible, but this resolution prevents other issues. And the threat of it probably prevents opposing calls in the first place.

[christianH]

Hey guys

thanks for the awesome tips.

I am a new referee as well.

i wonder if I am in doubt wether to call a charge or a block could I call a travel just for the sake of calling something?

thanks

[mick]

Originally Posted by christianH

Hey guys

thanks for the awesome tips.

I am a new referee as well.

i wonder if I am in doubt wether to call a charge or a block could I call a travel just for the sake of calling something?

thanks

Ha!
Just work hard to make the right call.

[WreckRef]

Originally Posted by mick

Ha!
Just work hard to make the right call.

Yeah, I wouldn't "make up" a call just to have something since you are unsure of what you have, it will get you into more trouble than if you got the call wrong.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by christianH

i wonder if I am in doubt wether to call a charge or a block could I call a travel just for the sake of calling something?

thanks

If this is a serious question, you have adjustments to make.

[christianH]

Yes that is a serious question

If you are in doubt you don't want to punish someone for your mistakes.