Buy your way out of violation?

[mbyron]

Losing the ball is not a violation.

[Indianaref]

Player control is required in requesting a time-out.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Player control is required in requesting a time-out.

Or "at the disposal" of a free thrower or shooter. By rule, a player could request a TO here, but by case play, I believe this is a violation as soon it escapes his reach.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Or "at the disposal" of a free thrower or shooter. By rule, a player could request a TO here, but by case play, I believe this is a violation as soon it escapes his reach.

If it's a fumble when the ball is bounced to the free thrower, no violation, just reset. However, in the OP situation it is a violation once it escapes his/her reach.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Player control is required in requesting a time-out.

He has total player control ........he's in the semi circle, can sit on it, do a hand stand, dribble it with two hands, it's his little world for 10 seconds as long as he stays 'home'

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by fullor30

He has total player control ........he's in the semi circle, can sit on it, do a hand stand, dribble it with two hands, it's his little world for 10 seconds as long as he stays 'home'

I was assuming the ball left the semi-circle.

[Adam]

Okay, case play 9.1.1 indicates the official should blow it dead and readminister even if the player "accidentally drops the ball." I'm still looking.

[hugheske44]

Yes in my original question, the ball is lost outside of the semi-circle, I realize they can do whatever they want with the ball in the circle.

The player has limited options on what to do once they lose the ball, go chase the ball--violation, let the 10 seconds expire--violation, call time out---violation???

My partner just said he may have seen it in Referee magazine, not the case book. I told him I cant find it specifically in the case book. Or possibly it couldve been in an older casebook since they do change them every so often?~~~

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by hugheske44

Yes in my original question, the ball is lost outside of the semi-circle, I realize they can do whatever they want with the ball in the circle.

The player has limited options on what to do once they lose the ball, go chase the ball--violation, let the 10 seconds expire--violation, call time out---violation???

My partner just said he may have seen it in Referee magazine, not the case book. I told him I cant find it specifically in the case book. Or possibly it couldve been in an older casebook since they do change them every so often?~~~

The official should not grant the time-out request as it was made at an improper time. Per 5-8-3 the ball must be dead, a player from the team must have control, or the ball must be at the disposal of the requesting team. After the free-thrower loses the ball none of those conditions exist.

As others have noted, there is a new casebook ruling this season which states that the free-thrower violates if he loses the ball in a manner such that he cannot regain control of it without leaving the semi-circle.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Okay, case play 9.1.1 indicates the official should blow it dead and readminister even if the player "accidentally drops the ball." I'm still looking.

That's a. Look at b.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

That's a. Look at b.

That's it, thanks. I was looking at last year's case book, which is slightly different. Last year's said he just dropped it after having it, and both situations called for a re-set.

This year's says to call the violation if he dribbles it off his foot into the lane.

At first glance, I don't like this case play. However, all the defense would have to do to ensure the violation is grab the ball and toss it OOB; even if they had to step in the lane to intercept a pass from an offensive player in his lane space, a double violation on a free throw penalizes the offense rather than the defense.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

I was assuming the ball left the semi-circle.

Read the OP

And we are getting away from the original question can coach buy out of a violation.

[Adam]

Your partner is right. I'll look for the cite.