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Old Sat Feb 14, 2009, 11:51pm
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Game Report

Here is a report from a game tonight. Stuff in curly brackets have the actual data removed for privacy reasons.




Hi {Assignor} & {President},

Here's a game report that I need to submit.

Tournament: {host club and division}
Game Venue: {name of high school}
Game Time: 7:30pm

Referee: {JugglingReferee's partner}
Umpire: {JugglingReferee}

Home Team: {one team} (Gold jerseys)
Visiting Team: {another team} (Blue jerseys)

During the second half, a foul was called on Blue #8 during rebounding action. After a short pause, {JugglingReferee's partner} reported the foul by Blue #8 and started to walk to the new throw-in spot.

Gold #15 did not like the agreesive nature that Blue #8 did, at which point Gold #15 approached Blue #8 and initiated contact by chest-pushing Blue #8. Blue #8 immediately retaliated (almost simultaneously) with a two-handed push to Gold #15. I came running in to separate the players and prevent further chaos. I verbalized a double technical foul. At this time, a parent from the crowd came onto the court. Other parents were trying to help him back, but he managed to barely step onto the court.

With Gold #15 and Blue #8 now apart, {JugglingReferee's partner} and I thought that everything had ended. We started to continue the game with me about to report the double technical foul, but Gold #15 went after Blue #8 again and did another chest-bump. I got between them again, prevented Blue #8 from retaliating, and motioned that Gold #15 was ejected. The parent again came onto the court unattended and I approached him, told him that "he is gone" and pointed to the hallway. Other parents came again to get this parent under control. {JugglingReferee's partner} properly handled the players on the court while I watched this parent until he had left the gym. During this melee, the Blue coach came onto the court to help get this players under control and over towards his bench area.

During the time that this parent (parent #1) came onto the court a second time, another parent (parent #2) from the opposite team stood up, and onto the out-of-bounds line at the opposite end of the court and loudly expressed his displeasure to parent #1 and that the ejected parent should "divert his attention to me". I did not eject parent #2 as he did not enter the court, and having them both in the hallway would not be a positive mix.

It should be said that parent #1 is black, as is Blue #8. Parent #2, who voiced displeasure loudly, is white, as is Gold #15. Parent #2 also had the same body build as Gold #15, so I concluded that these parents are male figures in these boy's lives.

I reported the 3 fouls to the table: offsetting technical fouls charged to Gold #15 and Blue #8. I then reported a disqualifying foul charged to Gold #15. We continued the game with 2 free throws for Blue, along with their throw-in at the division line.

If you have any questions about the situation, please feel free to contact me. (E-mail is best.)

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Old Sun Feb 15, 2009, 06:18am
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Here is a report from a game tonight. Stuff in curly brackets have the actual data removed for privacy reasons.




Hi {Assignor} & {President},

Here's a game report that I need to submit.

Tournament: {host club and division}
Game Venue: {name of high school}
Game Time: 7:30pm

Referee: {JugglingReferee's partner}
Umpire: {JugglingReferee}

Home Team: {one team} (Gold jerseys)
Visiting Team: {another team} (Blue jerseys)

During the second half, a foul was called on Blue #8 during rebounding action. After a short pause, {JugglingReferee's partner} reported the foul by Blue #8 and started to walk to the new throw-in spot.

Gold #15 did not like the agressive nature that Blue #8 did, at which point Gold #15 approached Blue #8 and initiated contact by chest-pushing Blue #8. Blue #8 immediately retaliated (almost simultaneously) with a two-handed push to Gold #15. I came running in to separate the players and prevent further chaos. I verbalized a double technical foul. At this time, a parent from the crowd came onto the court. Other parents were trying to help him back, but he managed to barely step onto the court.

With Gold #15 and Blue #8 now apart, {JugglingReferee's partner} and I thought that everything had ended. We started to continue the game with me about to report the double technical foul, but Gold #15 went after Blue #8 again and did another chest-bump. I got between them again, prevented Blue #8 from retaliating, and motioned that Gold #15 was ejected.

[long and sad story about parents omitted ]

I reported the 3 fouls to the table: offsetting technical fouls charged to Gold #15 and Blue #8. I then reported a disqualifying foul charged to Gold #15. We continued the game with 2 free throws for Blue, along with their throw-in at the division line.

If you have any questions about the situation, please feel free to contact me. (E-mail is best.)

JugglingReferee
The fouls are not technical (assuming you were under FIBA rules), since they were contact fouls. It makes no difference about the penalties, but Blue #8 should have attempted the free throws. There is no such thing as a double technical foul in FIBA rules; the two penalties offset, anyway, since both fouls are to be judged as unsportsmanlike.

You were correct not assessing a penalty to the coach, since during a fight, or when a fight is possible, the coach can come into the court in order to help officials to maintain order.

Of course, if Blue team was in team penalty situation (after the 4th team foul in the period), the offended Gold player should have had 2 FT before the free throws for Blue #8.

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Old Sun Feb 15, 2009, 09:31am
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The contact fouls Jug refers to took place during a dead ball. Still not technicals under FIBA? Wow.
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Old Sun Feb 15, 2009, 10:15am
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The contact fouls Jug refers to took place during a dead ball. Still not technicals under FIBA? Wow.
I think FIBA's approach to fouls is different from US codes - some in philosophy, some in name.

eg-italy is correct when I should have reported them as unsportsmanlike fouls. 2 unsportsmanlike fouls is an ejection, just like 2 technical fouls are and ejection.
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Old Sun Feb 15, 2009, 11:30am
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I think FIBA's approach to fouls is different from US codes - some in philosophy, some in name.

eg-italy is correct when I should have reported them as unsportsmanlike fouls. 2 unsportsmanlike fouls is an ejection, just like 2 technical fouls are and ejection.
There's no automatic ejection after two player's technical fouls in FIBA. That's only for two U fouls or two C technical fouls on the coach (or a mix of three B and C fouls on the coach). For example, a T for delay of game and a T for complaining do not necessarily warrant ejection, which is left to the official's discretion.

@mbyron: A dead ball contact can be a personal foul. Just a different perspective; for example, you don't have to distinguish when the ball has entered the basket or not when players foul going for rebound.

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Old Sun Feb 15, 2009, 01:38pm
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There's no automatic ejection after two player's technical fouls in FIBA. That's only for two U fouls or two C technical fouls on the coach (or a mix of three B and C fouls on the coach). For example, a T for delay of game and a T for complaining do not necessarily warrant ejection, which is left to the official's discretion.

@mbyron: A dead ball contact can be a personal foul. Just a different perspective; for example, you don't have to distinguish when the ball has entered the basket or not when players foul going for rebound.

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36.2.3 A player shall be disqualified when he is charged with two (2) unsportsmanlike fouls.
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