Game Report

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I think FIBA's approach to fouls is different from US codes - some in philosophy, some in name.

eg-italy is correct when I should have reported them as unsportsmanlike fouls. 2 unsportsmanlike fouls is an ejection, just like 2 technical fouls are and ejection.

There's no automatic ejection after two player's technical fouls in FIBA. That's only for two U fouls or two C technical fouls on the coach (or a mix of three B and C fouls on the coach). For example, a T for delay of game and a T for complaining do not necessarily warrant ejection, which is left to the official's discretion.

@mbyron: A dead ball contact can be a personal foul. Just a different perspective; for example, you don't have to distinguish when the ball has entered the basket or not when players foul going for rebound.

Ciao

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by eg-italy

There's no automatic ejection after two player's technical fouls in FIBA. That's only for two U fouls or two C technical fouls on the coach (or a mix of three B and C fouls on the coach). For example, a T for delay of game and a T for complaining do not necessarily warrant ejection, which is left to the official's discretion.

@mbyron: A dead ball contact can be a personal foul. Just a different perspective; for example, you don't have to distinguish when the ball has entered the basket or not when players foul going for rebound.

Ciao

36.2.3 A player shall be disqualified when he is charged with two (2) unsportsmanlike fouls.

[zebraman]

Why did you include the information about the color of the skin of some of those involved? Was race a factor?

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Why did you include the information about the colour of the skin of some of those involved? Was race a factor?

Race is never a factor with me. If you've gotten the idea that it is, then you've become misinformed about me somehow.

The governing authority of basketball in Ontario takes very seriously acts that are deemed unsportsmanlike. There is even a code of conduct posted at every single gym, and the instruction from the provincial body is zero tolerance. And that means everyone involved: coaches, players, parents, and even officials. Furthermore, acts such as a parent coming onto the court could very well be escalated to a involve a more severe penalty.

I certainly have no authority to demand identification in case I need to provide input should the governing body request it. Therefore, I provided information that seemed most logical to me.

If I was a parent of the Blue organization, I would demand that something be done surrounding this incident. If a parent can come onto the court and only be penalized by an ejection by the referees, then how much confidence would I have in the organization keeping themselves to be respectable? That's just my take, of course.

[shishstripes]

I must admit that I was struck too by you mentioning the color of skin/race of the two parents. It's not necessary IMHO, you could have easily said, "I believe parent 1 was blue's parent and 2 was gold's parent."

Where was game management? This certainly shouldn't have happened once, let alone twice.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by shishstripes

I must admit that I was struck too by you mentioning the color of skin/race of the two parents. It's not necessary IMHO, you could have easily said, "I believe parent 1 was blue's parent and 2 was gold's parent."

Where was game management? This certainly shouldn't have happened once, let alone twice.

GM was there. GM was a gentleman much smaller than parent #1. He would not have been able to hold the offender back, if that was his course of action. The whole thing happened so fast, that he likely was shocked by it all.

I suppose I could have left out how I determined which parent was which. However, there was no discrimination on my part, so I don't see the big deal.

[shishstripes]

I believe that you meant nothing and you were just trying to justify your rationale for determining fatherhood, but consider your audience and that they may read into it differently than you intended.

As far as GM, they must be ready to react to these situations quickly and often there are other staff members that can help, obviously parents nearby were reacting faster than GM was. Wish individuals who are GM would read this forum and see their importance and to be ready in these types of situations.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

I suppose I could have left out how I determined which parent was which. However, there was no discrimination on my part, so I don't see the big deal.

No big deal for most people. You were just trying to use physical characteristics of the parents, and of the players, in case you had to come up with the names of the parents later on. If one of the parents had three eyes, and one of the players had three eyes, then none of us would have any problem with you putting that in your report. Let's move on. "Eh?". Happy Flag Day Canuck.

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[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

36.2.3 A player shall be disqualified when he is charged with two (2) unsportsmanlike fouls.

Where is the analogous rule regarding two technical fouls? (Hint: don't browse the rulebook, there isn't such a rule.)

That's exactly what I said: the second U implies ejection; similarly two C fouls (or a mix of three B or C fouls) imply ejection of the coach. There's no provision for automatically eject a player after two T. U and T are different things.

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