Coach lies to evaluator

[Terrapins Fan]

I had an evaluation yesterday. My 1st this year. I knew it was coming. I was ready.

I did 3 games. Boys 6th, 7th and 8th grade. The evaluation was during the 8th grade game.

My partner and I were on top of our game. I feel we both did an excellent job. Evaluator did too. He had only 2 pointers, one for each of us.

Here's the problem. He comes to me and said " What's this I hear about you telling a coach that you don't call fouls or walking when the game is out of hand ( one team winning by 20 or more )" I said, I never said any such thing. He says, I just sat over there and had a coach AND his assistant say that you told them that tonight. I said, I never said any such thing. He didn't seem to believe me. I explained what had happened -

Here's the reality. In the 8th grade game, which the assistant was the head coach, the visitor was complaining to me after the 1st quarter. He was whining about calls, his team was down 16 - 4. I listened and as I walked away, the other coach ( the assistant that lied ) said, man if I talked to you like that you'd "T" me up. I said, coach, looking at the score I can understand his frustration, I am just giving his a little rope. That coach went off complaining that regardless of the score, I should have "T'ed him up. I walked away.

That's all that happened. I am disappointed that my evaluator took the coaches word for what happened. He got upset with me when I tried to explain what had happened.

There's not much I can do, I have refused to work any more games for these coaches either home or away.

Thoughts?

[Chess Ref]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

. He didn't seem to believe me.

That's all that happened. I am disappointed that my evaluator took the coaches word for what happened. He got upset with me when I tried to explain what had happened.

There's not much I can do, I have refused to work any more games for these coaches either home or away.

Thoughts?

I don't know if the evaluator is assignor/group leader or what not but he can basically bite me if he's gonna listen to a coach about this nonsense, and then get squirrley when I give my version. It almost sounds a little Junior High School recess incident. He said, he said, no I didn't.

Then if I'm feeling particulary pissy I might venture over to these two titans of the coaching industry and give them a blast of my thought process also.

I know , I know not the most professional thing but I'm at the over it part of the season so I'm having evil thoughts about junior high basketball coaches.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I had an evaluation yesterday. My 1st this year. I knew it was coming. I was ready.

I did 3 games. Boys 6th, 7th and 8th grade. The evaluation was during the 8th grade game.

My partner and I were on top of our game. I feel we both did an excellent job. Evaluator did too. He had only 2 pointers, one for each of us.

Here's the problem. He comes to me and said " What's this I hear about you telling a coach that you don't call fouls or walking when the game is out of hand ( one team winning by 20 or more )" I said, I never said any such thing. He says, I just sat over there and had a coach AND his assistant say that you told them that tonight. I said, I never said any such thing. He didn't seem to believe me. I explained what had happened -

Here's the reality. In the 8th grade game, which the assistant was the head coach, the visitor was complaining to me after the 1st quarter. He was whining about calls, his team was down 16 - 4. I listened and as I walked away, the other coach ( the assistant that lied ) said, man if I talked to you like that you'd "T" me up. I said, coach, looking at the score I can understand his frustration, I am just giving his a little rope. That coach went off complaining that regardless of the score, I should have "T'ed him up. I walked away.

That's all that happened. I am disappointed that my evaluator took the coaches word for what happened. He got upset with me when I tried to explain what had happened.

There's not much I can do, I have refused to work any more games for these coaches either home or away.

Thoughts?

I would highly consider refusing to work any more games for these coaches, home or away. Of course, I wouldn't tell anyone why. I'd keep that to myself.

Truth is truth. It's sad that people live their lives like this.

[Forksref]

It's surprising that the evaluator would take seriously what the coaches said. My perspective is that if he saw an official doing a good job out there that he would believe the performance was the truth. Rhetoric usually matches reality in these situations.

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

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I listened and as I walked away, the other coach ( the assistant that lied ) said, man if I talked to you like that you'd "T" me up. I said, coach, looking at the score I can understand his frustration, I am just giving his a little rope. That coach went off complaining that regardless of the score, I should have "T'ed him up. I walked away.
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Thoughts?

"Coach, that's my business, not yours."

Don't talk with a coach about the other one. Better, don't talk with coaches.

Ciao

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I had an evaluation yesterday. My 1st this year. I knew it was coming. I was ready.

I did 3 games. Boys 6th, 7th and 8th grade. The evaluation was during the 8th grade game.

My partner and I were on top of our game. I feel we both did an excellent job. Evaluator did too. He had only 2 pointers, one for each of us.

Here's the problem. He comes to me and said " What's this I hear about you telling a coach that you don't call fouls or walking when the game is out of hand ( one team winning by 20 or more )" I said, I never said any such thing. He says, I just sat over there and had a coach AND his assistant say that you told them that tonight. I said, I never said any such thing. He didn't seem to believe me. I explained what had happened -

Here's the reality. In the 8th grade game, which the assistant was the head coach, the visitor was complaining to me after the 1st quarter. He was whining about calls, his team was down 16 - 4. I listened and as I walked away, the other coach ( the assistant that lied ) said, man if I talked to you like that you'd "T" me up. I said, coach, looking at the score I can understand his frustration, I am just giving his a little rope. That coach went off complaining that regardless of the score, I should have "T'ed him up. I walked away.

That's all that happened. I am disappointed that my evaluator took the coaches word for what happened. He got upset with me when I tried to explain what had happened.

There's not much I can do, I have refused to work any more games for these coaches either home or away.

Thoughts?

TOO MUCH CONVERSATION...why did you feel the need respond to an assistant's comment? He made a comment, it did not need an answer. The more you talk the easier it is for someone to misquote or misconstrue what you say.

[Jurassic Referee]

Listen to News and Italy....and STFU.

They can't quote silence.

[Rich]

I was working a BV game last night. Visiting team was 10-2 coming in -- this was non-conference -- and the home team was 12-1. Home team is a bigger school, playing in a bigger school conference and plays up in its nonconference games (except for last night).

The visiting team got smoked from the opening tip to the final horn. About midway through the first quarter, the visiting bench, unaccustomed to this, started chipping on every call against them. I noticed it was the assistants doing 95% of the talking, so I went over in that direction and told the head coach to control his assistants -- I'm happy to talk to them, but I'm not going to have assistants yelling from the bench. He tried to "yeah, but" me and I stopped him and told him that this was how it was going to be.

I will handle polite questions from assistants doing their jobs (whose ball is it, where's the inbounds spot, etc.) but I will not take crap or defend a call to them. I'll talk to the head guy all night long if I have to, but not the assistants.

[Man In Blue]

I think you learned a lot from this evaluation. One is how to take critism. You know what happened. You now know how to handle it better in the future. That's what an evaluation does.

I think you need to reconsider not working for these "coaches". They need good officials. And from your post I think you do a good job.

If you want to "stick it" to someone, I might consider not working for the evaluator. He's the one with the proble.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

Here's the reality. In the 8th grade game, which the assistant was the head coach, the visitor was complaining to me after the 1st quarter. He was whining about calls, his team was down 16 - 4. I listened and as I walked away, the other coach ( the assistant that lied ) said, man if I talked to you like that you'd "T" me up. I said, coach, looking at the score I can understand his frustration, I am just giving his a little rope. That coach went off complaining that regardless of the score, I should have "T'ed him up. I walked away.

The reality is, you said too much. Another good rule of thumb is any comment about the game ("it's only a game") or the score ("looking at the score") is lighting a fuse. We're hired to work hard and (coaches think) work the same regardless of the score.

"Don't worry about the other coach" and walk away. If he persists, treat that separately (shut him down, whack him, whatever).

[Terrapins Fan]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

TOO MUCH CONVERSATION...why did you feel the need respond to an assistant's comment? He made a comment, it did not need an answer. The more you talk the easier it is for someone to misquote or misconstrue what you say.

He was the head coach on 6th grade level, assistant on 7th grade level. That was the 6th grade game that he spoke.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

He was the head coach on 6th grade level, assistant on 7th grade level. That was the 6th grade game that he spoke.

Maybe, but I agree it's a comment that is best ignored (most times).

[zm1283]

I'd ignore him or just tell him that I don't need his help with the other coach and let that be the end of it.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

That's all that happened. I am disappointed that my evaluator took the coaches word for what happened. He got upset with me when I tried to explain what had happened.

Usually where a evaluator is concerned if you have to use more that about 10 words in your explanation then you have done something wrong. Also, the evaluator was probably trying to get the point across that you were involved in too much conversation and wasn't really concerned with your reasoning. Your response to the evaluator should have been "My fault, I spent too much time talking to the coaches" (11 words).

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

He was the head coach on 6th grade level, assistant on 7th grade level. That was the 6th grade game that he spoke.

You said assistant in the OP, but that's not important. It was still a comment from a coach. Either ignore it, say "that's enough", or 'T' him, whichever is warranted at the point in the game. But the response you gave only provided the coach with ammo. He wasn't asking you a question so he didn't need to give an explanation.

[Adam]

This is what you said.

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I said, coach, looking at the score I can understand his frustration, I am just giving his a little rope.

This is what the coach heard.

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

you don't call fouls or walking when the game is out of hand ( one team winning by 20 or more )"