'T' not warranted???

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

What fast one will the coach be trying to pull?

If one of his players dunks prior to when the book is filled out, for example, and the coach wants to avoid the T, he can leave said player out of the lineup.

He can then have him added to the book later, but this time it's a team T only; nothing to the player or coach. Coach can also time this so that it only costs him two free throws.

[deecee]

snaq, in all due respects, thats quite the ledge you are dangling off.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

snaq, in all due respects, thats quite the ledge you are dangling off.

Tell me, then, what do you do if A55 dunks with 14 minutes on the clock. You go to report it, and the book isn't done yet. Coach says he's one of the varsity guys. What's your call?

You just asked "what fast one" the coach could be pulling. I told you; it's not my ledge.

[chartrusepengui]

[QUOTE=Snaqwells;575316]Tell me, then, what do you do if A55 dunks with 14 minutes on the clock. You go to report it, and the book isn't done yet. Coach says he's one of the varsity guys. What's your call?QUOTE]



I guess I'd T and tell the coach that an A55 just dunked when they knew they couldn't

[Texas Aggie]

what do you do when, during pregame warmups for the JV game, one of the players dunks? ... he's not in the book

Being in the book has nothing to do with anything. The Rule 10 technical reads "player." Since a "player" is one of only 5 at a given time, the rule's intent is actually "team member," which includes everyone in uniform who is eligible to be a player. The rule in Rule 10 probably should read "Player or team member" to cover times when more than 5 can be on the court -- such as pregame and warm ups. The book isn't required to be complete prior to 10 minutes before the game (and, individuals can be added later as well at the expense of a penalty), yet the officials' jurisdiction begins 15 minutes prior. You're still going to call a T for an apparent team member who dunks at 14 minutes prior even though he isn't yet in the book.

Don't make this hard: if he is a team member, T. If not, tell game management to tell them to stay off the rim. Its not your job to involve yourself with non team members.

[Adam]

Who do you apply this to if the coach never puts him in the book?

[deecee]

wait till hes in the book then tell the coach that he got a tech for dunking during warmups. I dont think the warmup is only for 10 minutes before the game. Once the officials are on the court, for their game both teams warming up at their baskets are team members for that game whether or not the book is completed. If its clear a team member dunked he's getting a T. But then again this problem isnt so rampant that we really think its going to happen all the time. A huge majority know the rule, and unless its a really thunderous dunk most times a quick chat and warning gets the message across.

[that's a walk]

Thanks for the input. My thoughts concur with yours. Just tell them not to do it again and better yet, hit the road..
Thanks

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

Being in the book has nothing to do with anything. The Rule 10 technical reads "player." Since a "player" is one of only 5 at a given time, the rule's intent is actually "team member," which includes everyone in uniform who is eligible to be a player. The rule in Rule 10 probably should read "Player or team member" to cover times when more than 5 can be on the court -- such as pregame and warm ups.

It does.

Rule 10, Section 3
A player shall not:
. . .
ART. 3 . . . Grasp either basket during the time of the officials’ jurisdiction,
dunk or stuff, or attempt to dunk or stuff a dead ball prior to or during the game
or during any intermission until jurisdiction of the officials has ended. This item
applies to all team members.
EXCEPTION: A player may grasp the basket to prevent injury.
PENALTY: (Art. 3) For dunking or grasping during pregame or intermission, the
foul is also charged indirectly to the head coach.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If one of his players dunks prior to when the book is filled out, for example, and the coach wants to avoid the T, he can leave said player out of the lineup.

This point is debatable.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If one of his players dunks prior to when the book is filled out, for example, and the coach wants to avoid the T, he can leave said player out of the lineup.

He can then have him added to the book later, but this time it's a team T only; nothing to the player or coach. Coach can also time this so that it only costs him two free throws.

There is a simple way to put a stop to that.

Charge both the team T when the name is entered later AND a direct technical foul to the Head Coach for unsporting behavior.

I asked the state coordinator of officials in Nebraska (NSAA) regarding the situation in the OP and this was his response:

Probably should have skipped the technical foul. The player that dunked the ball was not part of the game being contested. He and his teammates shouldn't have been on the floor.

According to the NSAA basketball manual, teams are not permitted to shoot/warm-up at the intermission of the preceding game. In this case the athletic administrator should have been informed and the violation should have been reported to the NSAA.

Moral of story: Check with your state on how to handle this, they may already have a policy in place.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

There is a simple way to put a stop to that.

Charge both the team T when the name is entered later AND a direct technical foul to the Head Coach for unsporting behavior.

Are you advocating two different penalties for one action?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Are you advocating two different penalties for one action?

It's more of a delayed penalty for the earlier pregame dunk.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It's more of a delayed penalty for the earlier pregame dunk.

I understand the reasoning, I'm not sure about penalizing an act that already carries it's own penalty with something on top of it. So, is he saying there would be 4 FT's for this administrative T?