'T' not warranted???

[Adam]

So, what do you do when, during pregame warmups for the JV game, one of the players dunks? Then, you find, that he's not in the book because he's a varsity player just screwing around.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

So, what do you do when, during pregame warmups for the JV game, one of the players dunks? Then, you find, that he's not in the book because he's a varsity player just screwing around.

It's been discussed here ad nauseum -- with passionate arguments on both sides.

Personally, if it's clear that he's not a JV player, then just get him off the court. If you think the coach is trying to pull a fast one, issue the T.

How I hate non-player situations like this. Had a boys reserve game one night where I observed a player warming up with earrings. During captains' meeting, I emphasized no jewelry (he wasn't a captain), yet when the teams went to huddle before the tip-off, he still had the earrings in. I went over to him, and told him to get rid of the earrings. He said, I'm not playing, and when I looked at his outfit compared to the others, I realized he wasn't kidding me. What made me think he was a player, he had the same warmup shirt on. Jeez.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

It's been discussed here ad nauseum -- with passionate arguments on both sides.

Personally, if it's clear that he's not a JV player, then just get him off the court. If you think the coach is trying to pull a fast one, issue the T.

What fast one will the coach be trying to pull?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

What fast one will the coach be trying to pull?

If one of his players dunks prior to when the book is filled out, for example, and the coach wants to avoid the T, he can leave said player out of the lineup.

He can then have him added to the book later, but this time it's a team T only; nothing to the player or coach. Coach can also time this so that it only costs him two free throws.

[deecee]

snaq, in all due respects, thats quite the ledge you are dangling off.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

If one of his players dunks prior to when the book is filled out, for example, and the coach wants to avoid the T, he can leave said player out of the lineup.

This point is debatable.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

snaq, in all due respects, thats quite the ledge you are dangling off.

Tell me, then, what do you do if A55 dunks with 14 minutes on the clock. You go to report it, and the book isn't done yet. Coach says he's one of the varsity guys. What's your call?

You just asked "what fast one" the coach could be pulling. I told you; it's not my ledge.

[chartrusepengui]

[QUOTE=Snaqwells;575316]Tell me, then, what do you do if A55 dunks with 14 minutes on the clock. You go to report it, and the book isn't done yet. Coach says he's one of the varsity guys. What's your call?QUOTE]



I guess I'd T and tell the coach that an A55 just dunked when they knew they couldn't

[Texas Aggie]

what do you do when, during pregame warmups for the JV game, one of the players dunks? ... he's not in the book

Being in the book has nothing to do with anything. The Rule 10 technical reads "player." Since a "player" is one of only 5 at a given time, the rule's intent is actually "team member," which includes everyone in uniform who is eligible to be a player. The rule in Rule 10 probably should read "Player or team member" to cover times when more than 5 can be on the court -- such as pregame and warm ups. The book isn't required to be complete prior to 10 minutes before the game (and, individuals can be added later as well at the expense of a penalty), yet the officials' jurisdiction begins 15 minutes prior. You're still going to call a T for an apparent team member who dunks at 14 minutes prior even though he isn't yet in the book.

Don't make this hard: if he is a team member, T. If not, tell game management to tell them to stay off the rim. Its not your job to involve yourself with non team members.

[Adam]

Who do you apply this to if the coach never puts him in the book?

[deecee]

wait till hes in the book then tell the coach that he got a tech for dunking during warmups. I dont think the warmup is only for 10 minutes before the game. Once the officials are on the court, for their game both teams warming up at their baskets are team members for that game whether or not the book is completed. If its clear a team member dunked he's getting a T. But then again this problem isnt so rampant that we really think its going to happen all the time. A huge majority know the rule, and unless its a really thunderous dunk most times a quick chat and warning gets the message across.

[that's a walk]

Thanks for the input. My thoughts concur with yours. Just tell them not to do it again and better yet, hit the road..
Thanks

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

wait till hes in the book then tell the coach that he got a tech for dunking during warmups.

You're supposed to report it right away, in part to prevent it from happening more.

Originally Posted by deecee

I dont think the warmup is only for 10 minutes before the game. Once the officials are on the court, for their game both teams warming up at their baskets are team members for that game whether or not the book is completed. If its clear a team member dunked he's getting a T. But then again this problem isnt so rampant that we really think its going to happen all the time. A huge majority know the rule, and unless its a really thunderous dunk most times a quick chat and warning gets the message across.

If it's borderline, I'll remind the player that he doesn't want to take the risk. But there's a lot of ground between no longer borderline and thunderous.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You're supposed to report it right away, in part to prevent it from happening more.

And when they do the line-ups and the person is not in the book, do you keep the T or erase it?