'T' not warranted???

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by that's a walk

I'll make this short. I was not a witness to this but a good friend was part of the 3 man crew and he shared with me.

Freshman game, 1st game of a triple header, and the 'Home' boys go to the lockerroom for a last minute chat before the opening tip. After the boys left a few 'Home' JV boys go out onto the floor and do a little shooting. One guy decides to dunk the ball. Here is where it gets interesting. One official puts air to his whistle and reports a 'T' will be issued to the home team. Now when the freshman come back out the coach is informed that he has received a 'T' and that he has lost his box. The game begins with 2 freethrows and the ball is awarded to the Visitors. Home team gets the arrow. Coach is irate all game and then asks the referee who issued the 'T' if the number in the book is correct because he is going to report him to the MHSAA. Has this ever occurred before? I was looking thru the books and came up empty. I have a game with this official next week. I want to make sure we are on the same page.

The officials have jurisdiction, now that they are on the floor. Do not allow anyone to warm-up but the teams who are about to start the game.

[Y2Koach]

Maybe JV players were also members of the pep squad, and they were doing a pre-game/half-time exhibition that included dunking a la the Phoenix Suns Gorilla?

[mbyron]

I had this situation a couple weeks ago. I just told them: "hey, stay off the rim." They said, "yes, sir."

[CMHCoachNRef]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

The officials have jurisdiction, now that they are on the floor. Do not allow anyone to warm-up but the teams who are about to start the game.

I have seen this type of thing more this season than in the past. Generally, I have seen it during halftime of the JV game while both teams and the officials are in the locker room for half time. I know that a Southern Ohio official indicated that this is a common practice.

The rules indicate that a technical foul is to be called if a PLAYER dunks the ball. As Referee99 indicated, since the varsity player is NOT a PLAYER in the Freshmen or JV game, a technical foul cannot properly be called by rule.

As was pointed out in a similar thread on a different forum, what happens if a former player comes out of the stands and dunks the ball? Is that a technical foul?

I would suggest ensuring that game management keeps the players off the floor IF you don't want a non-player dunking the ball while you are on the floor or not on the floor. I suggest you call a technical foul when a PLAYER (a person with a name and number listed in the scorebook) dunks the ball other than during the game.

This situation is not specifically mentioned in the rules book or case book.

[deecee]

I dont understand why anyone cares about this? I usually dont go looking for more crap to add more stink to anything I am involved with.

[williebfree]

Be proactive....
Have GM kick them off before it escalates.

Order them off the court yourself (Give them the "Hairy Eyeball," if they delay their departure.)

I find it very difficult to justify a "T" in this situation.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by deecee

I dont understand why anyone cares about this? I usually dont go looking for more crap to add more stink to anything I am involved with.

Did you work all the games involving the home team I had last week? You know, the ones where the official didn't care what color prewrap the girls were wearing?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

Did you work all the games involving the home team I had last week? You know, the ones where the official didn't care what color prewrap the girls were wearing?

Today I worked a Catholic middle school "junior varsity" (fifth, and sixth, graders) quadruple-header, and we didn't have a single "Fashion Police" issue. Not one. Every single player on all eight teams was 100% legally equipped, undershirts, headbands, and sweatbands. It's been like that all season. These are ten, and eleven, year olds, coached by volunteer coaches, mostly parent/coaches.

Last night I watched a public high school girls varsity game. Two top notch girls varsity programs, with two of our better, more experienced officials. One of the players was wearing a red jersey, with a black, short sleeve, undershirt, underneath the red, sleeveless, jersey, and she played the entire game like that. This is February, for Pete's sake.

The difference: The assigner of the Catholic middle school league told us at the beginning of the season, that if he ever walked into a gym, while we were officiating for him, and if there was an illegal undershirt, sweatband, or headband, that we would not get paid ($30.00) for that game.

Headbands and wristbands must be white, black, beige, or a single solid color similar to the torso of the jersey. When wearing headbands and/or wristbands, all players must wear the same color. Pretty easy to understand. If ten year olds can understand them, then everyone should be able to understand them. These "Fashion Police" rules are enforceable, you just have to want to enforce them.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by deecee

I dont understand why anyone cares about this? I usually dont go looking for more crap to add more stink to anything I am involved with.

Is that the answer you give if the supervisor asks why there was dunking going on in warm-ups? You have to address it in some manner, you can't just ignore it.

[that's a walk]

When a triple header is scheduled, 1- three man crew will work both the freshmen and the JV contests..Then another 3-man crew is there for the V game..

[that's a walk]

When a triple header is scheduled, 1- three man crew will work both the freshmen and the JV contests..Then another 3-man crew is there for the V game..

[deecee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Is that the answer you give if the supervisor asks why there was dunking going on in warm-ups? You have to address it in some manner, you can't just ignore it.

Yes, in my game by players in my game. If its no one invovled with my game, why in the heck am I going to penalize either team. A visitor might as well wear the home school shirt and come out and dunk and earn a T for the OTHER team. This T is completly absurd, and I guarantee this will hamper your advancement. Unless your superiors have explicitly told you to call this, and I dont see how they could or would, but if they did that is the only time to make such a call.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by deecee

Yes, in my game by players in my game. If its no one invovled with my game, why in the heck am I going to penalize either team. A visitor might as well wear the home school shirt and come out and dunk and earn a T for the OTHER team. This T is completly absurd, and I guarantee this will hamper your advancement. Unless your superiors have explicitly told you to call this, and I dont see how they could or would, but if they did that is the only time to make such a call.

I didn't say penalize. I just said it needs to be addressed. I personally don't see all the convoluted scenarios happening that have been put forth in this thread.

If they are not players then send them off, if they are players then 'T' them up.