I "T"ed up the score keeper.....

[GoodwillRef]

Is the visiting scorekeeper covered by this rule?

Basketball
NFHS
Rule 4: Definitions
Section 34: Players/Bench Personnel/Substitutes/Team Members - Article 2
Bench personnel are all individuals who are part of or affiliated with a team, including, but not limited to: substitutes, coaches, manager(s) and statistician(s). During an intermission, all team members are bench personnel.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

Is the visiting scorekeeper covered by this rule?

Basketball
NFHS
Rule 4: Definitions
Section 34: Players/Bench Personnel/Substitutes/Team Members - Article 2
Bench personnel are all individuals who are part of or affiliated with a team, including, but not limited to: substitutes, coaches, manager(s) and statistician(s). During an intermission, all team members are bench personnel.

I would say no. Appears to me the intent of this rule is to cover those personnel who are traditionally located on the team's bench - not at the table.

PS - Rec game a few weeks back I had a scorekeeper and clock operator (one parent from each team) almost get into a fight. Man it was odd......I calmed them down - No T's!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

Is the visiting scorekeeper covered by this rule?

Basketball
NFHS
Rule 4: Definitions
Section 34: Players/Bench Personnel/Substitutes/Team Members - Article 2
Bench personnel are all individuals who are part of or affiliated with a team, including, but not limited to: substitutes, coaches, manager(s) and statistician(s). During an intermission, all team members are bench personnel.

No. See rules 2-1 & 2-11.

[GoodwillRef]

I understand you rules references but he is not the "Official" scorekeeper.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by GoodwillRef

I understand you rules references but he is not the "Official" scorekeeper.

I don't think you understand the rules references.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I don't think you understand the rules references.

Maybe he understands the references but has not used them.

[TonyT]

Tell the score keeper to just keep the book and be quite, if they say another word they will be replaced. I think that would of solved the whole problem.

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by TonyT

Tell the score keeper to just keep the book and be quite, if they say another word they will be replaced. I think that would of solved the whole problem.

Be quite what? Be quite silent?

[ma_ref]

Originally Posted by TonyT

Tell the score keeper to just keep the book and be quite, if they say another word they will be replaced. I think that would of solved the whole problem.

I've done this before and it's usually quite effective. It mostly happens during wreck ball, and you get an over-zealous parent who disagrees with a lot of your calls or thinks they know the rules and while I'm reporting a foul against their team, they just keep shaking their head in a you-just-made-a-bad-call kind of way. I tell them that since they're sitting at the table they're going to be impartial, and if they can't do it, then I'll relieve them of their duties and find somebody else who can do the job.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by Terrapins Fan

I made a mistake by "T"ing up the scorer. I see that now. But you can't allow the table to criticize your calling. Yes, he was a parent of a player, maybe it was his daughter that I called the foul on, I have no idea.

I agree. Get rid of him. He's not going to get any better.

Originally Posted by TonyT

Tell the score keeper to just keep the book and be quite, if they say another word they will be replaced. I think that would of solved the whole problem.

I don't handle it this way, as I've never had any success with it. He/she usually wants to argue the point.

I go to the coach. "Coach, if I have any more problems with your scorer, I'm going to replace him."

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

I don't think you understand the rules references.

I think he understands the rule perfectly. 2-1 says that there is an official scorer. Singular. One. The visiting scorer does not seem, by rule, to be part of the officiating crew. 2-11 says the official scorer should compare records with the visiting scorer. It doesn't say the official scorers should compare records.

If the visiting scorer is not an "official" scorer, then he/she is a follower of the visiting team, who is allowed to sit at the table.

Personally, I wouldn't whack, but I don't think it's as obvious as you all are making it sound.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

I think he understands the rule perfectly. 2-1 says that there is an official scorer. Singular. One. The visiting scorer does not seem, by rule, to be part of the officiating crew. 2-11 says the official scorer should compare records with the visiting scorer. It doesn't say the official scorers should compare records.

If the visiting scorer is not an "official" scorer, then he/she is a follower of the visiting team, who is allowed to sit at the table.

Personally, I wouldn't whack, but I don't think it's as obvious as you all are making it sound.

You are correct about how the rule currently reads, but do you know the recent history of 2-1?

The rule was altered for the 2003-04 season to read as it does in the current rules book. This was done without any comment, mention, highlighting, or notification of any kind. The NFHS didn't even call it an editorial change.

Here is how the rule looked in 2002-03:

Rule 2, Section 1 Game Officials
Art. 1 ... The officials shall be a referee and an umpire or a referee and two umpires who shall be assisted by two timers and by two scorers. A single timer and a single scorer may be used if they are trained personnel acceptable to the referee.
Note: The official's uniform shall be a black-and-white striped shirt, black pants, shoes and socks.
Art. 2 ... The scorers and timers shall be located at the scorers' and timers' table on the side of the court. It is recommended that the scorer and timer be seated next to each other.


Just FYI.