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Old Tue Jan 06, 2009, 02:44am
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ok- nba.com has the videos though. Actually, I noticed how they have upgraded their videos so maybe you have to download something. The video quality is higher than it was before.
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Old Tue Jan 06, 2009, 04:55am
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I saw the play with Williams getting whacked in the head just after dishing it off. L was beat on the play as it was a quick steal on a pass on the perimter. Hard to say if the L passed on the call or wasn't able to see it but he comes in with an open hand not a fist. I don't believe a foul was called on the play. Honestly I cannot stand the NBA all that much though.
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Old Tue Jan 06, 2009, 10:01am
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Maybe btaylor will be on later to clarify, but I do believe that the NBA has a rule that in situations similar to play 2 of the OP where the offended person will get 1 shot if the shot goes in. The reasoning is that they don't want to see a team score and get the ball back so apparently 2 points and 1 FT for the foul is more equitable. Not saying I agree, but I think that that is the rule.
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Old Tue Jan 06, 2009, 11:11am
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I was at a camp over the summer with an official who had just been at an NBDL try-out. He was explaining a situation to me that was similiar:

A1 was driving to the basket and dished to A2 who went up for the shot. While A2 was in the air, B1 pushed A1 into A2 disrupting A2's attempt.
The official counted the basket and put A1 on the line for 1 shot. After the game reviewing the tape with his observers the official was told he had made the correct call.

correct at the HS level also?
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Old Tue Jan 06, 2009, 02:53pm
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I was at a camp over the summer with an official who had just been at an NBDL try-out. He was explaining a situation to me that was similiar:

A1 was driving to the basket and dished to A2 who went up for the shot. While A2 was in the air, B1 pushed A1 into A2 disrupting A2's attempt.
The official counted the basket and put A1 on the line for 1 shot. After the game reviewing the tape with his observers the official was told he had made the correct call.

correct at the HS level also?
Not correct at FED or NCAA
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Old Tue Jan 06, 2009, 03:23pm
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Not correct at FED or NCAA
How would this be administered at FED or NCAA than? A2's basket is good (if release was before foul) and A1 is either shooting bonus or A's ball out of bounds?
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Old Tue Jan 06, 2009, 03:27pm
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How would this be administered at FED or NCAA than? A2's basket is good (if release was before foul) and A1 is either shooting bonus or A's ball out of bounds?
Foul doesn't have to occur before release. Foul can occur any time after A2 begins habitual shooting motion and before the try ends.

Free throws for the offended player (A1) would depend on team foul count:

1-6: no free throws
7-9: 1-and-1
10+: 2 free throws

Whether the shot went in or not would have no bearing on the free throws.
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Old Tue Jan 06, 2009, 11:36am
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Maybe btaylor will be on later to clarify, but I do believe that the NBA has a rule that in situations similar to play 2 of the OP where the offended person will get 1 shot if the shot goes in.
This is true, but only if the player with the ball has begun the act of shooting. In the video, it seems pretty clear that the contact on the passer was well before the shooter gathered the ball. But I only watched it once, so I could be wrong on that.
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Old Tue Jan 06, 2009, 11:40am
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no, you were right.

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This is true, but only if the player with the ball has begun the act of shooting. In the video, it seems pretty clear that the contact on the passer was well before the shooter gathered the ball. But I only watched it once, so I could be wrong on that.
i watching. its an nba thing. i broke it down under nfhs rules for my wife who was watching with me. she really appreciated it.

passer was fouled before he released the pass. basket counts. passer shoots. nba.
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