Injury sub for lost contact lens?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

I would let her sub out, however, I would make sure she had her contacts in if she returned.

Gonna do an eye exam on the court?

[jdmara]

If the coach says the player is unable to play due to being disabled, I am going to take their word for it. It is too big of a liability if I "require" the player to stay in the game. However, if the player sits down for two seconds and then wants to report as a substitute directly after the freethrows (and of course once they sit a tick), the coach and I probably will has a heart-to-heart about my suspicions of unsportsmanlike acts committed by him.

-Josh

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by jdmara

If the coach says the player is unable to play due to being disabled, I am going to take their word for it. It is too big of a liability if I "require" the player to stay in the game. However, if the player sits down for two seconds and then wants to report as a substitute directly after the freethrows (and of course once they sit a tick), the coach and I probably will has a heart-to-heart about my suspicions of unsportsmanlike acts committed by him.

-Josh

Good call Josh. I had a case last season where a coach was clearly trying to influence the game not intended by the rules via the table crew, and the table crew didn't know how to handle the situation. I had a heart-to-heart with him. I had previously learned (from him) that he is also an official in his home board. He didn't say boo when I was done with him. He also didn't say anything after that either. He got the point very loud and clear. The heart-to-heart approach definitely works!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

Good call Josh. I had a case last season where a coach was clearly trying to influence the game not intended by the rules via the table crew, and the table crew didn't know how to handle the situation. I had a heart-to-heart with him. I had previously learned (from him) that he is also an official in his home board. He didn't say boo when I was done with him. He also didn't say anything after that either. He got the point very loud and clear. The heart-to-heart approach definitely works!

Can you give more details? This seems interesting.

[referee99]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Gonna do an eye exam on the court?

That would set a dangerous precedent. Officials should never be seen in the same room with an eye chart.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by referee99

That would set a dangerous precedent. Officials should never be seen in the same room with an eye chart.

Thanks for the humor. Just brightened my morning!

-Josh

[Rich]

Originally Posted by referee99

That would set a dangerous precedent. Officials should never be seen in the same room with an eye chart.

What eye chart?

[refnrev]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

What eye chart?

That's the thig that has a big E on the top... so they say... we, of course can't see well enough to prove it.

[QUOTE=Indianref; Gonna do an eye exam on the court?
If she tells me that I'm good looking, she going back to the bench.

If she tells me I'm good looking, she won't commit another foul the rest of the night and is going to get fouled every time anyone comes anywhere near her!!!

[grunewar]

Anyone see the Georgetown/UConn game tonight?

Late in the second half with Georgetown up the entire game and UConn making a run, a Georgetown player had a contact lens malfunction that went on for an extended period of time. I saw this incident late in the game stoppage (flipping channels ya know), and don't know if a TO was called. But the announcers said if this "game stoppage" went on any longer Jim Calhoun was going to go nuts. The player managed to fix his lens and stay in the game. Coincidence or not, the UConn run ended and Georgetown pulled away for an easy eleven point victory.....

A timely post on the subject!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Anyone see the Georgetown/UConn game tonight?

Late in the second half with Georgetown up the entire game and UConn making a run, a Georgetown player had a contact lens malfunction that went on for an extended period of time. I saw this incident late in the game stoppage (flipping channels ya know), and don't know if a TO was called. But the announcers said if this "game stoppage" went on any longer Jim Calhoun was going to go nuts. The player managed to fix his lens and stay in the game. Coincidence or not, the UConn run ended and Georgetown pulled away for an easy eleven point victory.....

A timely post on the subject!

Yep, watched the whole game from start to finish. The contact lens situation occurred early in the second half. Monroe, G'town's big man, caught a stray finger in the eye from a UConn player which dislodged his lens. There wasn't a foul on the play, so perhaps both teams got a little something from the situation. The officials were correctly patient with Monroe and a trainer trying to get his lens back in. Probably took about two minutes. No time-out was taken or charged.
Play resumed with Monroe in the game, but his contact lens still wasn't right, and he came out shortly thereafter to clean it up and reinsert it while on the bench.

The situation was well-handled.

[Daryl H. Long]

NCAA specifically addresses lost/displaced lenses and gives the teams some leeway to get the situation rectified (NCAA 5-14-1b,c).

The only reference in NF is in 5-11-3 Exception a.

NF does not give any protocol for the situation. In any case the time elapsed before resuming play must be minimized.

Once play is resumed the situation is over. If the player/coach decides player can continue without the lenses so be it. The only rule set aside is that no timeout is charged. No other rules can be set aside such as substitution, etc.

I would not let the player substitute under the original sitch.

1. The player voluntarily said she was OK to play without the lenses. A player who chooses voluntarily to not wear his corrective lenses is NOT an injured player and may not use that excuse to circumvent the rules.

2. The player continued to play.
a. She shot free throws.
b. She played defense.
c. She played offense again.
d. She saw well enough to catch the ball.
e. She saw well enough to take another shot and was fouled.

She can see well enough to shoot her own free throws and be subbed according to regular substitution requirements.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

The situation was well-handled.

I would have thought the powers that be would want an injury sub at this point. Two minute delay?

In a high school game, they're giving me a sub and we're playing on.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Gonna do an eye exam on the court?

If she tells me that I'm good looking, she going back to the bench.