Angry Coach at Halftime

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Got a rule quote for this?

Yes -- the coach isnt directly addressing the officials and its in the locker room! I am all for T's when they are necessary, and I think they are way more necessary than they are used and not enough are called. But this situation is a reach.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

Yes -- the coach isnt directly addressing the officials and its in the locker room! I am all for T's when they are necessary, and I think they are way more necessary than they are used and not enough are called. But this situation is a reach.

That's not a rule.
First off, you know he doesn't have to directly address you in order to get a T.

Secondly, the case play has already been provided showing the rules apply to the locker room as well. Show me the rule that says you can't call this T.

Originally Posted by deecee

Yes -- the coach isnt directly addressing the officials and its in the locker room!

On defense in the 1st half, coach of Team B says to his players "move your feet, these refs are calling ticky-tack fouls on our end".
This type of commentary continues a few more trips down the court.

We let this slide because coach is not directly addressing us??
Or are you saying ignore comments not made directly to us during intermissions??

[deecee]

Snaq -- are you referring to the situation with the electronics (because that doesnt apply) or 10.4.1 SITUATION B: where its in a public hall and not in THEIR locker room where they have an expectation of privacy. Neither of these cover a T in this situation.


So SNAQ where does it say YOU SHOULD????

Originally Posted by Ch1town

On defense in the 1st half, coach of Team B says to his players "move your feet, these refs are calling ticky-tack fouls on our end".
This type of commentary continues a few more trips down the court.

We let this slide because coach is not directly addressing us??
Or are you saying ignore comments not made directly to us during intermissions??

All I will say to the coach if he says this a couple times is move on from that point. Besides this is good coaching -- he recognizes how we are calling the game (he might not like it) but hes telling his kids to PLAY BETTER DEFENSE. Why would I get upset at this comment. Coaches who cry "Three Seconds" "Thats a travel" blah blah blah, does not bother me. They are just crying for calls. I would not waste my breath on a coach if I hear him say this in a huddle.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

Snaq -- are you referring to the situation with the electronics (because that doesnt apply) or 10.4.1 SITUATION B: where its in a public hall and not in THEIR locker room where they have an expectation of privacy. Neither of these cover a T in this situation.

So SNAQ where does it say YOU SHOULD????

The first one shows we have jurisdiction in the locker room. The 2nd is irrelevant, as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not arguing that you should. I'm arguing that you can.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm not arguing that you should. I'm arguing that you can.

So you also then are arguing that it's OK if you don't, right? Just asking because you are kind of confusing me (yeah, yeah, I know it doesn't take much. Shutup.).

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The first one shows we have jurisdiction in the locker room. The 2nd is irrelevant, as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not arguing that you should. I'm arguing that you can.

It shows we can WHEN the coach uses electronics to gain an advantage. I think you are reaching here. Either way I would not call a T, but I sure as hell wont give the coach much latitude in the second half.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

It shows we can WHEN the coach uses electronics to gain an advantage. I think you are reaching here. Either way I would not call a T, but I sure as hell wont give the coach much latitude in the second half.

There are only two scenarios where you would possibly have a rule infraction in the locker room. Unsporting behavior (the OP) and illegal use of media.

The case play tells us specifically we can call the T in one. It's silent on the other. I don't think it's much of a stretch to use the precedent from the case play and apply it to the OP.

It's more than a stretch to claim we don't have jurisdiction here. It's a leap.

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The first one shows we have jurisdiction in the locker room specifically over the use of electronic equipment.

You keep omitting this part for some reason.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by fiasco

You keep omitting this part for some reason.

Because it doesn't tell us anywhere that our jurisdiction is limited to this one rule. That's the reason, I believe I've already stated that.

Case plays aren't designed to cover every single possible situation. Since this situation isn't very common, it's easy to explain why it's not specifically addressed.

There is no rule or case play that says our jurisdiction does not extend to the locker room at half time. Let me repeat my main question here:

Where does it say we don't have jurisdiction here?

Think of this: Referee goes to tell coach that there are 3:00 left in half time. Coach yells, though the door, "Fu@# you!"

I'm calling that T.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by deecee

Yes -- the coach isnt directly addressing the officials...

If I had a nickel for every time that I heard a coach make that case after getting whacked...

Originally Posted by Ch1town

On defense in the 1st half, coach of Team B says to his players "move your feet, these refs are calling ticky-tack fouls on our end".
This type of commentary continues a few more trips down the court.

We let this slide because coach is not directly addressing us??
Or are you saying ignore comments not made directly to us during intermissions??

During the game the coach stands up and yells, "Keep working hard guys, I know that it's 8 on 5 out there." He isn't directly addressing the officials. His comments are to his players, right?

Get real.

Originally Posted by deecee

As for the second quote the coach said "these guys are calling ticky tack fouls" he never questioned my integrity he just stated his opinion on how we were calling the game and told his team to adjust.

Oh really?

Says to his players "move your feet, these refs are calling ticky-tack fouls on our end".

That could be interpreted as saying we weren't calling ticky-tacks on the other end. But interpretations are in the ears of the interpreter, I guess.

I was just killing the notion that we can't penalize commentary that isn't directed towards us even though it's about us. That was your defense on this stance, correct?

[deecee]

[QUOTE=Ch1town;562788]

Oh really?

Says to his players "move your feet, these refs are calling ticky-tack fouls on our end".

That could be interpreted as saying we weren't calling ticky-tacks on the other end. But interpretations are in the ears of the interpreter, I guess.

I was just killing the notion that we can't penalize commentary that isn't directed towards us even though it's about us. That was your defense on this stance, correct?[/QUOTE]

Yes in this stitch. In others no. But i honestly wont take offense to what your coach said in your stitch if he says it once in his huddle. If he screams and yells it and makes a scene and hes showing us up then sure. But this was something just his team and I heard, I would give him the benefit of the doubt that he's frustrated, and attempting to coach. If he repeats then I will address him.

Originally Posted by deecee

But i honestly wont take offense to what your coach said in your stitch if he says it once in his huddle. If he screams and yells it and makes a scene and hes showing us up then sure. But this was something just his team and I heard, I would give him the benefit of the doubt that he's frustrated, and attempting to coach. If he repeats then I will address him.

With all due respect, I said nothing about a huddle.

On defense in the 1st half, coach of Team B says to his players "move your feet, these refs are calling ticky-tack fouls on our end".
This type of commentary continues a few more trips down the court.

Again, not talking directly to us, but it is directed at us.

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

With all due respect, I said nothing about a huddle.

On defense in the 1st half, coach of Team B says to his players "move your feet, these refs are calling ticky-tack fouls on our end".
This type of commentary continues a few more trips down the court.

Again, not talking directly to us, but it is directed at us.

I would ask him to move on from that point after the second time -- if he says it again he earned the T.