Angry Coach at Halftime

[Adam]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

Same here and if he showed us complete respect the whole game I would not even report the incident.

Thank God! For a second there, I thought I wasn't going to have anything to disagree with.

[LeeBallanfant]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Thank God! For a second there, I thought I wasn't going to have anything to disagree with.

Why report him. He is on my short leash forever and knows it.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by LeeBallanfant

Why report him. He is on my short leash forever and knows it.

Two for two.

I'm reporting it because his behavior has no place in high school sports. If the AD wants to do nothing with the report, not my problem. If the state wants to do nothing with the report, not my problem. I'd report that just as I'd report him pounding on the dressing room door after a game.

I'll agree to putting him on a short leash during the game. However, after the game, it's over. Next game will be a clean slate.

[deecee]

This sounds like a certain school in southern california maybe?

As much as you might want to T here you can't and shouldn't. Unless a coach directly assaults you (verbally or physically) during half time you can't go after him here. But you DON'T have to take an iota of crap once the game starts from him or his players.

I also don't hold coaches or players guilty from one game to another. I might know a coach is an a-hole and I might not grant him as much patience in the future, but the leash isnt really that much shorter than usual, I would just ask him to put a stop to his whining sooner than I might. This takes years of pattern building and a-hole'dness to reach this level.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

This sounds like a certain school in southern california maybe?

As much as you might want to T here you can't and shouldn't. Unless a coach directly assaults you (verbally or physically) during half time you can't go after him here.

Got a rule quote for this?

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Got a rule quote for this?

Yes -- the coach isnt directly addressing the officials and its in the locker room! I am all for T's when they are necessary, and I think they are way more necessary than they are used and not enough are called. But this situation is a reach.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

Yes -- the coach isnt directly addressing the officials and its in the locker room! I am all for T's when they are necessary, and I think they are way more necessary than they are used and not enough are called. But this situation is a reach.

That's not a rule.
First off, you know he doesn't have to directly address you in order to get a T.

Secondly, the case play has already been provided showing the rules apply to the locker room as well. Show me the rule that says you can't call this T.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

Charging the HC with TF in this situation is a no win situation because it cannot be defended by rule, now matter how many different rules are quoted.

If you don't want to call the foul, whatever I don't care, that is up to you. But you can't sit here and say that the rules do not allow calling the foul. You know that is wrong. The officials have jurisdiction everywhere until the game ends.

Originally Posted by deecee

Yes -- the coach isnt directly addressing the officials and its in the locker room!

On defense in the 1st half, coach of Team B says to his players "move your feet, these refs are calling ticky-tack fouls on our end".
This type of commentary continues a few more trips down the court.

We let this slide because coach is not directly addressing us??
Or are you saying ignore comments not made directly to us during intermissions??

[deecee]

Snaq -- are you referring to the situation with the electronics (because that doesnt apply) or 10.4.1 SITUATION B: where its in a public hall and not in THEIR locker room where they have an expectation of privacy. Neither of these cover a T in this situation.


So SNAQ where does it say YOU SHOULD????

Originally Posted by Ch1town

On defense in the 1st half, coach of Team B says to his players "move your feet, these refs are calling ticky-tack fouls on our end".
This type of commentary continues a few more trips down the court.

We let this slide because coach is not directly addressing us??
Or are you saying ignore comments not made directly to us during intermissions??

All I will say to the coach if he says this a couple times is move on from that point. Besides this is good coaching -- he recognizes how we are calling the game (he might not like it) but hes telling his kids to PLAY BETTER DEFENSE. Why would I get upset at this comment. Coaches who cry "Three Seconds" "Thats a travel" blah blah blah, does not bother me. They are just crying for calls. I would not waste my breath on a coach if I hear him say this in a huddle.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

Snaq -- are you referring to the situation with the electronics (because that doesnt apply) or 10.4.1 SITUATION B: where its in a public hall and not in THEIR locker room where they have an expectation of privacy. Neither of these cover a T in this situation.

So SNAQ where does it say YOU SHOULD????

The first one shows we have jurisdiction in the locker room. The 2nd is irrelevant, as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not arguing that you should. I'm arguing that you can.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I'm not arguing that you should. I'm arguing that you can.

So you also then are arguing that it's OK if you don't, right? Just asking because you are kind of confusing me (yeah, yeah, I know it doesn't take much. Shutup.).

[deecee]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

The first one shows we have jurisdiction in the locker room. The 2nd is irrelevant, as far as I'm concerned.

I'm not arguing that you should. I'm arguing that you can.

It shows we can WHEN the coach uses electronics to gain an advantage. I think you are reaching here. Either way I would not call a T, but I sure as hell wont give the coach much latitude in the second half.

[PeteBooth]

Mark this OP was brought over to the baseball side as well.

So here's my question

Forget about the comments made about officials.

Suppose you heard the following:

Hey Jimmy (who is the last person on the sub list) Tommy (on the other team) is "kiliing us" I want you to "take him out"

I believe this sort of "stuff" happened at the University of Minnesota many moons ago. Can't remember the coach but it was a pretty gruesome story.

In Conclusion: You as officials hear this coach tell one of his HS players to do harm to another player on another team.

What do you do

Me: Assuming I heard a baseball coach tell one of his players to take out another player. Coach is done and report filed.

Pete Booth

[Adam]

Originally Posted by deecee

It shows we can WHEN the coach uses electronics to gain an advantage. I think you are reaching here. Either way I would not call a T, but I sure as hell wont give the coach much latitude in the second half.

There are only two scenarios where you would possibly have a rule infraction in the locker room. Unsporting behavior (the OP) and illegal use of media.

The case play tells us specifically we can call the T in one. It's silent on the other. I don't think it's much of a stretch to use the precedent from the case play and apply it to the OP.

It's more than a stretch to claim we don't have jurisdiction here. It's a leap.