I need some strong advice.....

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SWMOzebra

When a coach eventually asks you about call discrepancy (and we all know one of them will), you simply state "Coach, I'm calling my primary as consistently as I can" or "Coach, I didn't see the contact you saw...it was in my P's primary, you'll have to ask him about it." No matter how much you want to, NEVER throw a partner under the bus to a coach. It makes us all look bad in the long run.

Good luck and hang in there!

For red: By using the words 'my' and 'I' your are indirectly throwing your partner under the bus. (IMO)

For purple: "Coach, my partner had a lot better look, you'll have to ask him about that play"

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

For red: By using the words 'my' and 'I' your are indirectly throwing your partner under the bus. (IMO)
For purple: "Coach, my partner had a lot better look, you'll have to ask him about that play"

Coach is questioning a partner’s call:
“Coach, that’s a good call, as a crew we have to make that call.”
“We’re calling it on both ends.”
“Coach, he/she was right there and had a great angle.”
“Coach, we’re not going there, I can’t let you criticize my partner.”
“Coach, he/she had a great look, but if you have a specific question, you’ll have to ask him/her, he/she’ll be over here in just a minute.”

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Coach is questioning a partner’s call:
“Coach, that’s a good call, as a crew we have to make that call.”
“We’re calling it on both ends.”
“Coach, he/she was right there and had a great angle.”
“Coach, we’re not going there, I can’t let you criticize my partner.”
“Coach, he/she had a great look, but if you have a specific question, you’ll have to ask him/her, he/she’ll be over here in just a minute.”

Not gonna throw my partner under the bus, but I personally would not say this part if I didn't believe it.

[Back In The Saddle]

I don't have a lot to give as far as what to do with the money men. Just have two thoughts for you to consider:

1. You've moved up this level because of what you have been doing.
2. These guys are still at this level because of what they do.

Seems pretty obvious to me that you need to not only keep on doing what got you here, but continue working on what will take you to the next level.

Best of luck to you.

[shishstripes]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I don't have a lot to give as far as what to do with the money men. Just have two thoughts for you to consider:

1. You've moved up this level because of what you have been doing.
2. These guys are still at this level because of what they do.

Seems pretty obvious to me that you need to not only keep on doing what got you here, but continue working on what will take you to the next level.

Best of luck to you.

I was actually thinking the same thing, you've caught up to them, work hard, and that hard work will be acknowledged and pay off in the end. While they are still working that same level, you will move past them.

[Rich]

The only piece of advice I can give is that there ARE people who call too many fouls. The place I normally see this is during the JV game before mine, where there's a whistle ever 20-30 seconds and the game starts at 5:50PM and is still going (even with 7-minute quarters) at 7:20PM, pushing my game's start time back. I've seen both teams in the double bonus in the third quarter for no good reason. To those officials, contact equals foul, and they will never move from those games. With no real associations (the state doesn't require membership and the games aren't assigned from them anyway), the local guys hired to work JV are usually happy to stay there and it shows.

I'm not saying you are doing this and, yes, we do brag when we have games with only 18 fouls. It means we had a game with little fouling, though, not a game where we ignored everything just to get off the court.

So I would step back and make sure that you do, indeed, have a patient whistle and are judging foul/no foul decisions based on advantage/disadvantage (up to a certain point, at least). I do know there are some games where we called <30 fouls in a game where some of these JV crews would've called well over 40. Let's just say our version of reality is, IMO, better than theirs.

But hey, I've worked with these kind of guys, too. You can see in your peripheral someone getting hammered with no call. It could be poor judgment, poor positioning, or what you said -- a desire to just get it over with and get out. Don't reach, though. It will do you no good in the short or long term. It will get you into bad habits when you finally do get to work with better officials.

[summdawg76]

Originally Posted by RichMSN

The only piece of advice I can give is that there ARE people who call too many fouls. The place I normally see this is during the JV game before mine, where there's a whistle ever 20-30 seconds and the game starts at 5:50PM and is still going (even with 7-minute quarters) at 7:20PM, pushing my game's start time back. I've seen both teams in the double bonus in the third quarter for no good reason. To those officials, contact equals foul, and they will never move from those games. With no real associations (the state doesn't require membership and the games aren't assigned from them anyway), the local guys hired to work JV are usually happy to stay there and it shows.

I'm not saying you are doing this and, yes, we do brag when we have games with only 18 fouls. It means we had a game with little fouling, though, not a game where we ignored everything just to get off the court.

So I would step back and make sure that you do, indeed, have a patient whistle and are judging foul/no foul decisions based on advantage/disadvantage (up to a certain point, at least). I do know there are some games where we called <30 fouls in a game where some of these JV crews would've called well over 40. Let's just say our version of reality is, IMO, better than theirs.

But hey, I've worked with these kind of guys, too. You can see in your peripheral someone getting hammered with no call. It could be poor judgment, poor positioning, or what you said -- a desire to just get it over with and get out. Don't reach, though. It will do you no good in the short or long term. It will get you into bad habits when you finally do get to work with better officials.

Nice post Rich. You can be a great official with bad game management skills. I think that is half the game. If a team is losing by thirty points, you should not ride them with petty whistles. The bus is already running and they just want the massacre to end.