Blarge alert!!!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

[1]Not even close.

[2]Also Burr's call, as it was a secondary defender.

[3]Agree that C was in poor position - he likely did not have a good look at how late the defender was.

1. I think it is a close call. The defender is obviously moving to his right at the time of contact, but that would be of absolutely no consequence had the dribbler still had a foot on the floor. There is no requirement that the defender be still or stationary. The correctness of the call hinges upon the offensive player going airborne and exactly when.

2. It was indeed a secondary defender, but this defender comes from outside of the lane and is moving towards the middle of the court. That's clearly the C's primary coverage area. The Lead should not be watching this defender. This is the opposite of what we normally see when the secondary defender is coming from the middle or weakside, out of the Lead's PCA, and trying to help with a drive on the C's side. So this was still the C's call, even though the crash involved a secondary defender.

3. The C does seem to get too high and possibly straight-lined as he ends up looking at the dribbler's back. It is difficult to see the defender move to his right AFTER the offensive player goes airborne from that angle. That is probably why the C deemed this a PC foul. Angles are of critical importance.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

1. I think it is a close call. The defender is obviously moving to his right at the time of contact, but that would be of absolutely no consequence had the dribbler still had a foot on the floor.

It would be of no consequence if the guy had established LGP prior to the contact, but to my eye this guy has not.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

It would be of no consequence if the guy had established LGP prior to the contact, but to my eye this guy has not.

Seriously?

You don't believe that the defender ever had two feet on the floor and his torso facing the opponent at any time prior to the contact?

You may want to check the video again because I have to strongly disagree.

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Seriously?

You don't believe that the defender ever had two feet on the floor and his torso facing the opponent at any time prior to the contact?

You may want to check the video again because I have to strongly disagree.

Defender was leaning several degrees backward as he slid into the guys path.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Defender was leaning several degrees backward as he slid into the guys path.

What if he were leaning several degrees forward?

I must be missing your point. Do you think that verticality has some bearing on establishing initial LGP?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

What if he were leaning several degrees forward?

I must be missing your point. Do you think that verticality has some bearing on establishing initial LGP?

I'm saying that if you are leaning back, as this guy was, your torso is not facing the opponent. More like facing the ceiling.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I'm saying that if you are leaning back, as this guy was, your torso is not facing the opponent. More like facing the ceiling.

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I'm saying that if you are leaning back, as this guy was, your torso is not facing the opponent. More like facing the ceiling.

Holy carp.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by just another ref

I'm saying that if you are leaning back, as this guy was, your torso is not facing the opponent. More like facing the ceiling.

Once LGP is established, you do not need to continue facing the opponent to maintain it.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Do you think that verticality has some bearing on establishing initial LGP?

No, but isn't there a distance requirement? I mean, it's not LGP when a defender stands under the basket facing a dribbler who is in his own back court, right? (Genuine question here, not being a smartazz)

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by mbyron

No, but isn't there a distance requirement?

Technically, no. A player can establish legal guarding position by actively guarding an opponent (which means meeting the criteria for LGP of two feet initially on the floor, torso facing opponent, etc), but there is no distance requirement.

The only time distance enters the discussion is in determining if there is a closely guarded situation.