Blarge alert!!!

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by zeedonk

I watched the game and saw the play too... So riddle me this, how did we get to a double foul? Is this the resolution when there is a double whistle and the officials can't agree? If so, I suppose I can live with that, but if there is another reason, you'll have to sell me...

Z

The reason is quite simple.

The NCAA RULE is the same as the NFHS RULE. If two officials signal conflicting fouls on a play, then the resolution is a double foul.

[wrwom]

I was watching the game and through the magic of DVR grab the play. Here it is, the slow motion starts about 29 seconds into the video. Since I am very new to this I won't offer an opinion, but I would love to follow the discussion on why this is a block or charge.

[just another ref]

Block. Doesn't look that close to me.

[JRutledge]

It looks like a PC Foul to me, but that being said guys from the East Coast like to just signal fouls without much or any of a stop clock signal. The ball did come from the Center's side. The CCA told officials to let the Lead take all fouls to the basket if there was a dispute. It is clear Jim Burr did not follow the manual on this directive with a stop clock signal. Oh well, that is why he is working on National Television and I am not.

Peace

[eyezen]

Though this is in the C's PCA -

blow and hold, blow and hold, blow and hold especially knowing who your partner is (Burr) and knowing he's probably going to come out strong with a call on a play like this

[fullor30]

H & R..............................block

[Rich]

Originally Posted by eyezen

Though this is in the C's PCA -

blow and hold, blow and hold, blow and hold especially knowing who your partner is (Burr) and knowing he's probably going to come out strong with a call on a play like this

Looking at the video, the C is very high up -- above the top of the key, it appears.

Perhaps if the C made the right call and Burr the wrong call rather than vice versa, I'd feel more strongly about it.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Block. Doesn't look that close to me.

Me either. Definitely a block.

[Nevadaref]

Excellent job, wrwom. Thanks for posting the video. Perhaps you would be kind enough to detail the steps you undertook in order to do so. That would be a great help to some of us less savvy computer users.

As for the play, it is my opinion that the defender did not obtain his spot on the floor prior to his opponent going airborne. Instead he slid in front of and under him after the dribbler picked up the ball and both of his feet left the floor.

The defender did establish LGP and is allowed to move laterally to continue to maintain that guarding position, but he can't do so AFTER the opponent becomes airborne. At that time, he must hold the spot that he has obtained. He may, of course, turn or duck to absorb or lessen the contact.

Furthermore, IMO this play was the C's to get right or wrong as it was well within his primary. The L should not have given a preliminary signal as the play was outside of his primary and his partner had a whistle. This is what happens when the officials do not adhere to proper mechanics.

[wrwom]

Thanks Nevedaref for posting the detailed explanation, as a newbie I was missing the airborne player part of this play. I kept thinking that the Tenn Player had LGP and was moving obliquely, but missed the part about the airborne player. It is difficult to tell for sure from the angles on the video when the offensive player became airborne in relation to the slide, but I now understand the reason some are seeing this as a block.

As far as getting the video I just happened to have the game on and I have digital cable with a DVR so it records what is currently being watch to allow you to pause it and rewind it. Honestly I was reading the forum and not really watching the game closely when I saw your Blarge alert post, so I backed up the DVR and recorded the play to my DVD recorder. I replayed it a couple of times and then replayed it at slow speed while recording it to the dvd. I then took the dvd into a video editing program, edited it to get just the play, and had the video editor output a file i could upload to YouTube.

The details would vary depending upon your hardware, for example I think some DVRs will allow you to directly move the file to a computer without burning it to the DVD first.

[zm1283]

Block.

[GoodwillRef]

Officials: Jim Burr, Doug Shows, Bryan Kersey
Technical fouls: TENNESSEE VOLUNTEERS-None. GONZAGA BULLDOGS-None.
Attendance: 3914
Score by Periods 1st 2nd Total
TENNESSEE VOLUNTEERS.......... 31 43 - 74
GONZAGA BULLDOGS.............. 35 48 - 83

Pretty darn good crew.

[referee99]

First impression (from the upper camera) was PC, but seeing the lead's angle I thought a clear block -- the bent right knee shows defender clearly sliding over....

but more importantly... what is your configuration at home that allows you to slice and dice the braodcast... put it up on youtube and publish??? How long did that take you, start to finish, wrwom??

edit -- oh, never mind, seems like others were wowed with the quick post up of video too! thanks!

[canuckrefguy]

Originally Posted by wrwom

I was watching the game and through the magic of DVR grab the play. Here it is, the slow motion starts about 29 seconds into the video. Since I am very new to this I won't offer an opinion, but I would love to follow the discussion on why this is a block or charge.

Not even close.

Also Burr's call, as it was a secondary defender.

Agree that C was in poor position - he likely did not have a good look at how late the defender was.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by canuckrefguy

[1]Not even close.

[2]Also Burr's call, as it was a secondary defender.

[3]Agree that C was in poor position - he likely did not have a good look at how late the defender was.

1. I think it is a close call. The defender is obviously moving to his right at the time of contact, but that would be of absolutely no consequence had the dribbler still had a foot on the floor. There is no requirement that the defender be still or stationary. The correctness of the call hinges upon the offensive player going airborne and exactly when.

2. It was indeed a secondary defender, but this defender comes from outside of the lane and is moving towards the middle of the court. That's clearly the C's primary coverage area. The Lead should not be watching this defender. This is the opposite of what we normally see when the secondary defender is coming from the middle or weakside, out of the Lead's PCA, and trying to help with a drive on the C's side. So this was still the C's call, even though the crash involved a secondary defender.

3. The C does seem to get too high and possibly straight-lined as he ends up looking at the dribbler's back. It is difficult to see the defender move to his right AFTER the offensive player goes airborne from that angle. That is probably why the C deemed this a PC foul. Angles are of critical importance.