throw-in after double personal during free throw

[derwil]

I hate calling double personnels....always go back thinking someone fouled first and I missed THAT one - then it led to the one we called.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by derwil

I hate calling double personnels....always go back thinking someone fouled first and I missed THAT one - then it led to the one we called.

So when one player smacks the other and then that guy immediately retaliates, are you going to let the second player get away with a free shot at his opponent or are you going to call that a technical foul?

In such a situation a double personal foul is completely proper and fair.

[derwil]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

So when one player smacks the other and then that guy immediately retaliates, are you going to let the second player get away with a free shot at his opponent or are you going to call that a technical foul?

If there's a smack and retaliation, probably gonna have double T and possible ejection.

I didn't say I don't call DPFs. I only said I usually think I could have done a better job handling the situation prior to the incident through talking, persuading etc. Sometimes, players are gonna be stubborn and you have to call it. No prob. I just wish my game managment skills were such that it didn't happen.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by derwil

If there's a smack and retaliation, probably gonna have double T and possible ejection.

How is that possible when the first contact occurs during a live ball?

How do you justify charging that player with a T?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

How is that possible when the first contact occurs during a live ball?

How do you justify charging that player with a T?

Depends on exactly what a "smack" is.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by just another ref

Depends on exactly what a "smack" is.

Why?

[just another ref]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Why?

If the first smack is considered the start of a fight.....

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by derwil

I hate calling double personnels....always go back thinking someone fouled first and I missed THAT one - then it led to the one we called.

My words from an earlier thread:

Two seasons ago, I had a partner, a veteran, who calls a pretty good game, but doesn't pay too much attention to rules, or mechanics, ream me out at halftime for calling a double foul in the first half, and to never call a double foul in any of his games ever again. I filed that "constructive criticism" under, "When In Rome ...". These two kids were elbowing each other at the mid-post position. They didn't heed my warning to, "Knock it off". My double foul cleaned up that type of action for the rest of the game.

[archangel]

Originally Posted by derwil

I hate calling double personnels....always go back thinking someone fouled first and I missed THAT one - then it led to the one we called.

Participated in an assignors preseason weekend camp- varsity boys scrimmage showcase games, and the the experienced instructor working the 3 man with us 2 "campers" tells us in pregame that we need to watch for lane violations because of arms being outside the lane(you know- players trying to get positioning/crossing arms prior/during the free throw).
Instructor is administering 1 free throw after a made basket, shooter has ball, he calls DPF, goes to AP. He points out afterwards that calling that early cleaned up that issue the rest of the game....

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by archangel

He points out afterword that calling that early cleaned up that issue the rest of the game.

Good advice:

Voting in Chicago: "Vote early. Vote often".

Calling double fouls: Definitely call them early, but not necessarily often.

[Mark Padgett]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Voting in Chicago: "Vote early. Vote often".

Boy, does that bring back memories. My mom was a precinct worker in the original Daley machine. I remember once she "sold" a loading zone permit to some hardware store owner for $50. Of course, the money went to the local party office.

It wasn't until I moved to Oregon that I found out politics and government might sometimes be two separate things. However, recently, that doesn't seem to be the case.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by archangel

Participated in an assignors preseason weekend camp- varsity boys scrimmage showcase games, and the the experienced instructor working the 3 man with us 2 "campers" tells us in pregame that we need to watch for lane violations because of arms being outside the lane(you know- players trying to get positioning/crossing arms prior/during the free throw).
Instructor is administering 1 free throw after a made basket, shooter has ball, he calls DPF, goes to AP. He points out afterwards that calling that early cleaned up that issue the rest of the game....

Make sure that you respond with a big "HEE-HAW" because that assignor is a DONKEY.

[referee99]

Originally Posted by derwil

I hate calling double personnels....always go back thinking someone fouled first and I missed THAT one - then it led to the one we called.

And they show slow motion of two rams butting heads?

Who creates the contact first on those?

I've had plays where A1 and B1 hurl themselves towards each other when positioning for a rebound. Fortunately its usually shoulder to shoulder, but very similar to the rams.

Also, as a side note, I've noticed the winner of the A1/B1 matchup often is perceived as the better potential mate by the ewes!

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by referee99

They show slow motion of two rams butting heads? Who creates the contact first on those?

Simple. It's the Tower Philosophy. It's the one who puts the other one at a disadvantage not intended by a rule. And why would two Rams be butting heads? They play the Dolphins today, and I'll be watching for this type of action.