First 2 Block/Charge Philosophy

[walter]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

I personally think you are actually making it too easy.

In your easy interpretation a defender is allowed to first establish LGP and then "submarine" an alighted player? Also what if defender established LGP and then trys to take a charge by setting up his base wider than shoulder width and in the attempt of the offensive player to slip by him he makes contact with his extended leg and trips?

now in reverse order, what if the defender has not established LGP and on a drive to the basket the off. player alights and wipes the defender away with his off arm or leads with a leg or a knee to the sternum or groin?

As for the "submarine" sitch, are you addressing a shot attempt? If so, if the defender got there before the offensive player left his feet, contact in the torso, that is PC. As for your other sitch, the "approximately shoulder width" (4-40-2d) only applies in screening situations since, after establishing IGP, a guard can be moving to maintain guarding position. A trip has nothing to do with a PC/Block. A trip is a trip and is a foul on the defender.

On the reverse side, if the defender gets to a position first, and the offensive player hasn't jumped before he got there, and contact is in the torso, that is still PC. As for the knee to the sternum or groin, it depends what you are asking. If it is simply in the act and is not deliberate or intentional, and again, the defender was there before he left the ground, PC. As for the arm, again, it depends on intent and how it happened.

Imho, PC/block is not all that difficult to call if you observe the whole play. Again, imho, traveling, with the speed and ability of today's players is much more difficult.