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Originally Posted by walter
As for the "submarine" sitch, are you addressing a shot attempt? If so, if the defender got there before the offensive player left his feet, contact in the torso, that is PC. As for your other sitch, the "approximately shoulder width" (4-40-2d) only applies in screening situations since, after establishing IGP, a guard can be moving to maintain guarding position. A trip has nothing to do with a PC/Block. A trip is a trip and is a foul on the defender.
On the reverse side, if the defender gets to a position first, and the offensive player hasn't jumped before he got there, and contact is in the torso, that is still PC. As for the knee to the sternum or groin, it depends what you are asking. If it is simply in the act and is not deliberate or intentional, and again, the defender was there before he left the ground, PC. As for the arm, again, it depends on intent and how it happened.
Imho, PC/block is not all that difficult to call if you observe the whole play. Again, imho, traveling, with the speed and ability of today's players is much more difficult.
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I am talking about a player leaving the floor and the defender after establishing LGP he ducks and undercuts the guy rather than taking a legitimate hit....
In the other play I'm saying a player is leaving the floor toward the hoop and makes contact with the defender who is unnaturally wider than normal.
On the reverse side, I will have to disagree with you... We as referees should not referee intent. Reffing intent can only get you in trouble. How do you explain it to a coach? "Coach, I know what he was trying to do" or "Coach, I know what his intent was and it was unsportsmanlike" You think that is going to go over well with him. Point being don't ref intent, referee the play on its own merits.
As far as the arm and leg... these are unatural moves and overt in nature and should supercede a player not having LGP. When a player "wipes out" with his off arm when a player is legitimately trying to block a shot, that is advantageous for the offensive player and leading with a leg or knee is also advantageous and a very overt move.