Unilateral Scorekeeper ???

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Really?

There's a rule/casebook ruling that clearly addresses what to do when the scorer makes changes to the book and doesn't inform the floor officials until later? Could you please point it out me?

It clearly states 10-2a and 10-2e are to be penalized when discovered. It also clearly states 10-2b, c, and d are to be penalized when they occur.

"Once the ball becomes live, it is too late to penalize" is pretty clear. Now, if you can think of another instance when this might come into effect, other than when the scorer does it without telling you, I'm listening.

If the committee wanted us to be able to penalize this whenever we discovered it, they would have said penalized when discovered. How much more clarity do we need?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

It clearly states 10-2a and 10-2e are to be penalized when discovered. It also clearly states 10-2b, c, and d are to be penalized when they occur. If the committee wanted us to be able to penalize this whenever we discovered it, they would have said penalized when discovered. How much more clarity do we need?

This sounds real, real, real, good to me, and might be something for me to, "hang my hat on", when I finally finish my study guide. Thanks.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

This sounds real, real, real, good to me, and might be something for me to, "hang my hat on", when I finally finish my study guide. Thanks.

You can hang your hat on whatever you wish, but I'm not going to allow the home coach and scorekeeper to cheat the visiting team. NO WAY!

The rules are not written to cover any and all circumstances which can be imagined. They are written with the assumption that all else is normal and that there are no complicating factors. When that is not true, then the authority of the Referee has to take over. That's why 2-3 is in the book.

[Adam]

Fair enough, but what circumstance do you see where it would be legitimately too late to penalize on this? When the home scorer changes for the visiting team?

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Fair enough, but what circumstance do you see where it would be legitimately too late to penalize on this? When the home scorer changes for the visiting team?

To make it easier for you to answer, pretend you're in a room taking a NFHS, or in my case, an IAABO, closed book, timed, written test, and you're not on the court in a real game, with intent and purpose, etc. Remember, I'm making this study guide for my training committee, for officials who are about to take the written test, not the floor exam, that's a different subcommittee.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Fair enough, but what circumstance do you see where it would be legitimately too late to penalize on this? When the home scorer changes for the visiting team?

If the officials knew of the change when it was done or some time briefly thereafter and chose not to take action at that time.

[ODJ]

I will stop everything, tell the visitor coach everything, tell the scorekeeper not to do that again, and layer write a note to the AD. Play on.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by ODJ

I will stop everything, tell the visitor coach everything, tell the scorekeeper not to do that again, and layer write a note to the AD. Play on.

Tweet. "Hey, Mr. Scorekeeper, don't cheat again. It's not nice, and next time I still won't do anything about it."

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by ODJ

I will stop everything, tell the visitor coach everything, tell the scorekeeper not to do that again, and layer write a note to the AD. Play on.

Sounds good to me, by rule, and by intent and purpose. I think I'm starting to understand these penalties. I'd like to finish up my study guide this week. Thanks guys. Keep the posts coming.

Note: Just because it sounds good to me, doesn't make it right, by rule. Is it correct? Again, pretend that you're in a room taking a NFHS, or in my case, an IAABO, closed book, timed, written test; and that you're not on the court in a real game, real table crew, experienced, or inexpereinced, first game of the season, or state championship game, etc., with intent and purpose to keep in mind.