Proper Mechanic

Originally Posted by fiasco

Signaling the attempt does not necessarily mean you're not watching your primary.

If you're signaling the attempt (got the shooter up & down) which is NOT in your PCA, how could you possibly referee your PCA to the best of your abilities?
Even if there is no competitive match-ups in your PCA when the shot goes up, do we really need to extend in the direction of the shooter?
Extending to the rebounding area of the court would be wiser IMHO...

I'm not speaking on fast break situations, just typical half-court settings.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by fiasco

I'm not saying that the Trail has the shooter. I'm just saying you can watch your area, know what's going on there, and also see your partner signal the attempt.

Signaling the attempt does not necessarily mean you're not watching your primary.

But, that is what the signal means - that official is watching the shooter. If I see two officials signal a 3-point attempt, I know two officials are watching the ball. It is the same reason you will not see 2 officials with a closely-guarded count. That signal is for the on-ball official.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

But, that is what the signal means - that official is watching the shooter. If I see two officials signal a 3-point attempt, I know two officials are watching the ball. It is the same reason you will not see 2 officials with a closely-guarded count. That signal is for the on-ball official.

Agreed. You can get teh same thing in 3-person -- if both the T and the C indicate the attempt, the crew gets downgraded.

[mj]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Even in a 3 person game, when 2 official are signaling the attempt, someone should recognize that, drop their hand & officiate elsewhere.

Ahh yes, mj's pet peeve #86. I pre-game this almost every game I do 3 person. If both the C and the T mark a three pointer, the C should drop it and focus on the flight of the shot and then rebounders. The T then stays with the shooter.

[Clark Kent]

Originally Posted by jdmara

This is the only time (that I can think of) when the lead signals for a three-point attempt.

-Josh

What about on a quick steal or fast break where the trail hasn't recognized the change of possession and is too far behind the play to see if it is a three-point attempt or not. In that case would the Lead give the preliminary three-point indication even if the shot were attempted at the top of the key out of the Leads primary area but in a spot where he could still visually see that it was a three-point attempt?

[zm1283]

I've had a couple veterans tell me that if I'm Lead and I signal, they won't signal at all as Trail and let me have it the whole way.

But going back to what you guys are talking about: If I'm Trail and the Lead signals, should I never mirror the attempt at all, but just mirror the good 3-point shot instead?

Originally Posted by mj

Ahh yes, mj's pet peeve #86. I pre-game this almost every game I do 3 person. If both the C and the T mark a three pointer, the C should drop it and focus on the flight of the shot and then rebounders. The T then stays with the shooter.

Not true... I think the official whose PCA the shot is attempted from should stay & the other official should drop & look elsewhere.

In your above description, if the shot is from the Cs PCA, but the T & C both have the attempt, then the T should find something else to referee.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by zm1283

But going back to what you guys are talking about: If I'm Trail and the Lead signals, should I never mirror the attempt at all, but just mirror the good 3-point shot instead?

Asked and answered. See post #7.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

What about on a quick steal or fast break where the trail hasn't recognized the change of possession and is too far behind the play to see if it is a three-point attempt or not. In that case would the Lead give the preliminary three-point indication even if the shot were attempted at the top of the key out of the Leads primary area but in a spot where he could still visually see that it was a three-point attempt?

Someone needs to signal it, and if the T can't, ....

If the T is still in the BC, then the whole FC is the lead's primary.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Clark Kent

What about on a quick steal or fast break where the trail hasn't recognized the change of possession and is too far behind the play to see if it is a three-point attempt or not. In that case would the Lead give the preliminary three-point indication even if the shot were attempted at the top of the key out of the Leads primary area but in a spot where he could still visually see that it was a three-point attempt?

Yes. In this situation the old T/new L is nearly always trailing the play closely while the old L/new T is still well down court. So if the shooter is within a foot or so of the line, it is good help for the L to either mark the attempt or give a "2 point shot" signal (if that signal is used in your area). Once the T has picked up the signal, drop it.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

Not true... I think the official whose PCA the shot is attempted from should stay & the other official should drop & look elsewhere.

There will always be plays that are in BOTH PCAs....player has one foot in each. There will always be situations where the officials will double signal legitimately....no way around it.

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

There will always be plays that are in BOTH PCAs....player has one foot in each. There will always be situations where the officials will double signal legitimately....no way around it.

No doubt, when the shot comes from a grey area perhaps two officials hands will initially go up for the attempt. But the people I work for expect officials to be cognizant when a partner is already officiating that play, drop it & referee elsewhere.

[mj]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

There will always be plays that are in BOTH PCAs....player has one foot in each. There will always be situations where the officials will double signal legitimately....no way around it.

That was the play I was referring to above. Thank you for clarifying Camron.