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Old Tue Nov 04, 2008, 04:24pm
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As far as I can tell, there is no difference between the men's and women's rule in this situation. On a held ball, with no team control, the shot clock is reset. See the rule citation that I provided above. If the women's rule is different, please post it as I would be interested to see it.
NCAA 2 7 i
is where I went and that is if you rule a held ball (kick)

You and I must be playing soccer here with all the kicking we are doing here.
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Old Tue Nov 04, 2008, 04:38pm
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"The tape don't lie" is BS when you only have one angle of the game! The only time the tape don't lie is with multiple camera angle games.

"beat the tape" cause it sounds like your playing an odds game in which you might not win sometimes.
Sorry to nitpick. I'm big on terminology!
BT - yes one angle of tape does not always make the perfect view, as does not one officials view. And Beat the tape probably is poor verbage.
But you when you are sitting in a locker room with you supervisor/assignor after a game - if right there on the tape it shows the ball rolling loose and you come running in with a held ball ... well you are probably going to be standing up for awhile from the a$$ chewing you are going to take.

Assignors and supervisors are savay enough to know how to view and interpret what the tape shows and doesn't.
So those terms are used more in terms of getting the call right as you saw it on the floor.
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Old Tue Nov 04, 2008, 05:10pm
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A player must be in control of the live ball to call a time out.




You are going to go running in and DEEM that your partner is wrong?

Relax sparky!
All you can do is go in there and give the information that you have. You can not DEEM anything, No official has the authority to over rule another period, end of conversation. You need to supply your partner with the best information that you can and your partner then has to make the decision as to what to do.

If you go DEEMING what happened and then take charge Tell everyone what IS - even if you are right you are going to have problems not because of what you did but how you did it.


The only time I can think of that you make a call for one of your partners is if thay ask for help on an OB play, other wise you bring in the information, discuss it and then decide what you are going to do.

You go around DEEMING what is going to happen at any level you'll end up working 3rd grad traveling league all be yourself.
you are mistaking what i was saying and rightfully so. I worded it badly.

I was saying as the play was stated (you coming in and giving the info you gave), I, as the CC will then take the brunt of the coaches frustration upon myself and say that we had an inadvertent whistle as there was no player control and therefore we can't grant the timeout. A Good CC takes control of situations like these, they never ever impose their will just because they are the CC. They are there and in that position hopefully because they have the trifecta (great play calling, game management, and communication skills).
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Old Tue Nov 04, 2008, 07:24pm
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Ok, I'll play a little more soccer. . .

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NCAA 2 7 i
is where I went and that is if you rule a held ball (kick)
First of all, you meant 2-11-7i. It took me a minute to figure it out. lol

Second, that rule only applies during a throw-in. So again, I have to point out that there is team control during a throw-in and your original post said there was no team control.

So I'm just trying to get clear what exactly happened. In any case, as I said earlier, if there's team control when the inadvertent whistle occurs, you don't use the arrow and you don't reset the shot clock. If there is no team control at the time of the inadvertent whistle, then you use the arrow and you reset the shot clock.

You can't do what you did, which is use the arrow and NOT reset the shot clock.

I'm not trying to pick a fight, just trying to make it clear.
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Old Wed Nov 05, 2008, 09:27am
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I'm not trying to pick a fight, just trying to make it clear.
not a problem We/mainly Me/ kicked the reset that is a rule costs me five bucks in the jar.
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Old Wed Nov 05, 2008, 09:41am
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not a problem We/mainly Me/ kicked the reset that is a rule costs me five bucks in the jar.
More kicking? I guess this really is turning into a soccer forum.

Hey, you kicked in a scrimmage, at least it wasn't a game. I kicked it on a test. Now we both own it. Held ball with no team control -- RESET.
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Old Wed Nov 05, 2008, 02:00pm
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Held ball. If team in control gets ball by arrow, no shot clock reset.
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Old Wed Nov 05, 2008, 02:44pm
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Held ball. If team in control gets ball by arrow, no shot clock reset.
you need to read the OP this was never a held ball.
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Old Wed Nov 05, 2008, 02:55pm
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I, as the CC will then take the brunt of the coaches frustration upon myself .
I am presuming by "CC" you mean "R".

I am going to disagree with you unless the "CC" is the calling official.
let the calling official make the explaination as to why the call was changed, - First because he changed the call. If that process begins to drag out or get ugly then the "CC" or "R" steps in and extracates the official and gets the game going.
Second because if the "CC" or "R" steps in and explains what is going on it can give the impression that the calling official is weaker, (especially if the "CC" or "R" is the one that offered the information).
Third it may not be necessary the coach may just ask the question and accept it - he may not be happy but they accept it - if you send in the "R" or "CC" you may be playing a card you do not need to too early in the game.

It is important to project strength as a crew and part of that is not having to "send in the big Referee to clean up after his little umpires"!
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