Not Held ball time out

[M&M Guy]

Scrappy - do you have these conversations with yourself often?

(Just be careful you don't start having too much fun with yourself...)

Just to reiterate the one point you made earlier - you could still have team control, even though there was no player control during the scrum. This is important to remember in the case of going to POI after the IW.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Scrappy - do you have these conversations with yourself often?

(Just be careful you don't start having too much fun with yourself...)

Just to reiterate the one point you made earlier - you could still have team control, even though there was no player control during the scrum. This is important to remember in the case of going to POI after the IW.

Especially on loose ball scrums like this; where it's most likely to happen.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Especially on loose ball scrums like this; where it's most likely to happen.

What's most likely to happen? Having conversations with yourself?

Dang it, there's that fun thing again.

Sorry.

[btaylor64]

So are you guys saying a team can be granted a TO without a player being in control of it. IOW, Player A1 passes the ball to A2 and while the ball is in mid air, team A can request and be granted a TO?????

This whole play is just screwed up or the rules are.... one of the two??? I'm going to go with the rules.


P.S. GET THE PLAY RIGHT!!! I don't care to look like an idiot at all on this play as long as we get it right! If i'm the CC i'm going to deem an inadvertent whistle and do whatever you do by rule in college. I'll then take charge when the coach is wanting and raving about getting the ball AND the TO and just tell him WE screwed up and that he isn't getting what he wants because of our screw up. (Then i get fired from that league for doing what is right, but the coach is the biggest name coach in the conference! and he is pissed!)

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

So are you guys saying a team can be granted a TO without a player being in control of it. IOW, Player A1 passes the ball to A2 and while the ball is in mid air, team A can request and be granted a TO?????

A player must be in control of the live ball to call a time out.

Originally Posted by btaylor64

If i'm the CC i'm going to deem an inadvertent whistle and do whatever you do by rule in college.

You are going to go running in and DEEM that your partner is wrong?

Relax sparky!
All you can do is go in there and give the information that you have. You can not DEEM anything, No official has the authority to over rule another period, end of conversation. You need to supply your partner with the best information that you can and your partner then has to make the decision as to what to do.

If you go DEEMING what happened and then take charge Tell everyone what IS - even if you are right you are going to have problems not because of what you did but how you did it.


The only time I can think of that you make a call for one of your partners is if thay ask for help on an OB play, other wise you bring in the information, discuss it and then decide what you are going to do.

You go around DEEMING what is going to happen at any level you'll end up working 3rd grad traveling league all be yourself.

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by OHBBREF

A player must be in control of the live ball to call a time out.




You are going to go running in and DEEM that your partner is wrong?

Relax sparky!
All you can do is go in there and give the information that you have. You can not DEEM anything, No official has the authority to over rule another period, end of conversation. You need to supply your partner with the best information that you can and your partner then has to make the decision as to what to do.

If you go DEEMING what happened and then take charge Tell everyone what IS - even if you are right you are going to have problems not because of what you did but how you did it.


The only time I can think of that you make a call for one of your partners is if thay ask for help on an OB play, other wise you bring in the information, discuss it and then decide what you are going to do.

You go around DEEMING what is going to happen at any level you'll end up working 3rd grad traveling league all be yourself.

you are mistaking what i was saying and rightfully so. I worded it badly.

I was saying as the play was stated (you coming in and giving the info you gave), I, as the CC will then take the brunt of the coaches frustration upon myself and say that we had an inadvertent whistle as there was no player control and therefore we can't grant the timeout. A Good CC takes control of situations like these, they never ever impose their will just because they are the CC. They are there and in that position hopefully because they have the trifecta (great play calling, game management, and communication skills).

[OHBBREF]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

I, as the CC will then take the brunt of the coaches frustration upon myself .

I am presuming by "CC" you mean "R".

I am going to disagree with you unless the "CC" is the calling official.
let the calling official make the explaination as to why the call was changed, - First because he changed the call. If that process begins to drag out or get ugly then the "CC" or "R" steps in and extracates the official and gets the game going.
Second because if the "CC" or "R" steps in and explains what is going on it can give the impression that the calling official is weaker, (especially if the "CC" or "R" is the one that offered the information).
Third it may not be necessary the coach may just ask the question and accept it - he may not be happy but they accept it - if you send in the "R" or "CC" you may be playing a card you do not need to too early in the game.

It is important to project strength as a crew and part of that is not having to "send in the big Referee to clean up after his little umpires"!