Question

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Still doesn't work....the thrown ball could be on its way up in a pass that is clearly away form the basket.

My suggestionn: A ball thrown from outside the 3 point arc shall be considered a try if it enters the goal prior encountering any event that normally ends a try.

If you consider it a try, then when B1 fouls A1 during this action, it is a common foul or a shooting foul?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

If you consider it a try, then when B1 fouls A1 during this action, it is a common foul or a shooting foul?

The whole point was to remove judgement of try/pass and I would think that should extend to related fouls. It would be a mess to count it 3 points but declare that it was not a try and send the player to the line for 2 FTs (double bonus).

Likewise, no matter what we do, we're still left with the case of the ball not going in and a foul. We have to judge pass/try and award 3 shots or the bonus/posession.

As much as some would like to believe that this rule (in any form) eliminates judgement, it only relocates it.

[M&M Guy]

Camron - the reason I asked the question is to point out that I think the committee is is just eliminating one small part of the judgement, not the overal judgement as to try vs. throw. We all know any live ball that passes through the basket is 2 points (try, tap, throw, bounces off B1's head, etc.); no real judgement involved. I believe the rule used to read that it had to be ruled a try to score 3 points from outside the arc. But then we had the situation where A1 throws the alley-oop to A2, but it goes through the basket instead, so now we had to make a judgement as to whether that was a try, therefore worth 3 points, or actually a pass, which would only be worth 2. The committee decided to eliminate this particular judgement call.

What I was trying to point out was we still have the other factors of try vs. throw; for example, in determining whether a foul will be ruled a common foul or shooting foul. So, instead of confusing things by combining elements of trys and throws (a throw "ends" when it's below the rim, for example?), let's keep the rest of the judgement still intact. If it's a try, all of the pertinent rules apply. If it's an obvious throw/pass, then those rules still apply.