POE - Correct mechanics

[fiasco]

It was addressed in our association meeting and the emphasized the proper use of approved NFHS signals.

My question is, are there areas in which you differ from the NAMES of the signals.

For instance, when you report, do you say "illegal use of the hands" or do you just say "hit" or "on the arm" as I see most officials doing? Do you say "blocking" or do you say "body."

Does it matter? Anyone have associations that are really strict on this?

[JugglingReferee]

I report that "he was giving him the business". I leave out the 'down there' part.

Ok, seriously: I do say "hit[s]". If an illegal screen is steering the defender, I sometimes say, "steering the defender". Another term I have used is "arm bar" and if a player is hit on the head, I usually emphasize that because I have a distaste for fouls that involve contact to the head.

[Zoochy]

You know.. I have seen many officials use a "On The Floor' signal." When watching the game I view this as "The Basket is Good" signal. Then get confused when the ball is taken out of bounds for a throw-in.
Why don't we all just use the "No Shot' signal?
I guess the "On The Floor' signal" is a good example of using a non-standard signal.

[eg-italy]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

You know.. I have seen many officials use a "On The Floor' signal." When watching the game I view this as "The Basket is Good" signal. Then get confused when the ball is taken out of bounds for a throw-in.
Why don't we all just use the "No Shot' signal?
I guess the "On The Floor' signal" is a good example of using a non-standard signal.

I was watching a game last Sunday: the official called a foul, immediately gave the "no basket" signal and after that he did the "on the floor" one, just when the ball was going through the basket. I was confused for some seconds, because it was just like "basket is good" You can imagine how fans might react in this case.

Some years ago I saw an official who thought that the "wave off" signal was to be used as "stop the clock": when calling a foul on the shooter he waved off and then signalled that the basket was good. Really.

Originally Posted by Zoochy

You know.. I have seen many officials use a "On The Floor' signal." When watching the game I view this as "The Basket is Good" signal. Then get confused when the ball is taken out of bounds for a throw-in.
Why don't we all just use the "No Shot' signal?
I guess the "On The Floor' signal" is a good example of using a non-standard signal.

Using that "signal" sends the wrong message. Habitual motion can begin while a player is still "on the floor" & the player should be awarded with FTs in that case.
I agree with you that wiping the attempt, "no shot" communicates a throw-in is next, unless there are 7+ fouls of course.

[Smitty]

It bugs me when I see guys say "hits" or "on the arm" when they report, but a lot of guys do it. I don't believe there is any requirement to say anything while reporting the mechanic for the nature of the foul at the table. I say nothing and just perform the mechanic.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by fiasco

It was addressed in our association meeting and the emphasized the proper use of approved NFHS signals.

My question is, are there areas in which you differ from the NAMES of the signals.

For instance, when you report, do you say "illegal use of the hands" or do you just say "hit" or "on the arm" as I see most officials doing? Do you say "blocking" or do you say "body."

NFHS mechanics do not require you to verbalize the nature of the foul at the table. Just give the signal. "Blue, 42. [signal blocking] Two shots."

KISS

[fiasco]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

NFHS mechanics do not require you to verbalize the nature of the foul at the table. Just give the signal. "Blue, 42. [signal blocking] Two shots."

KISS

By golly that solves it!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Smitty

It bugs me when I see guys say "hits" or "on the arm" when they report, but a lot of guys do it. I don't believe there is any requirement to say anything while reporting the mechanic for the nature of the foul at the table. I say nothing and just perform the mechanic.

While there are certainly bigger things to be bugged about, I've quit verbalizing this when I report. I found it's easier this way, and doesn't draw the occasional "what was that?" from the chirpy coach.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Smitty

It bugs me when I see guys say "hits" or "on the arm" when they report, but a lot of guys do it. I don't believe there is any requirement to say anything while reporting the mechanic for the nature of the foul at the table. I say nothing and just perform the mechanic.

I say the foul as is (block, hold, push) for all but illegal use of hands. For that, I say "hands".

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

I say the foul as is (block, hold, push) for all but illegal use of hands. For that, I say "hands".

While reporting? Or only at the spot?

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Zoochy

You know.. I have seen many officials use a "On The Floor' signal." When watching the game I view this as "The Basket is Good" signal. Then get confused when the ball is taken out of bounds for a throw-in.
Why don't we all just use the "No Shot' signal?
I guess the "On The Floor' signal" is a good example of using a non-standard signal.

I will admit that this one got me in trouble a few years ago (maybe 5 years) and I've never used it again. It was the final seconds of a tightly contested game in a small gym with a very excited, loud crowd on hand. The dribbler started a drive on the wing (me as trail on that side). The dribbler worked his way almost around the defender when he was steered by the defender with an extended arm. *Whistle!!* Two dribbles later he shot the ball "No shot, no shot, on the floor" *Waved the basket off and pointed to the floor* Got over to the bench to report *waved the basket off* ## *Signaled hand check and pointed to the spot the throw in was to happen* The crowd, coach, players went crazy. I have never pointed at the floor again. I refuse to lol It will only only lead to misunderstanding

-Josh

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

NFHS mechanics do not require you to verbalize the nature of the foul at the table. Just give the signal. "Blue, 42. [signal blocking] Two shots."

KISS

I used to do that but I have changed course.

Now every time have a foul I report or say the action that was a foul. For example I say, "4-2, push from behind" along with the appropriate signal. I was suggested to do this at a camp about 2 years ago and ever since I can hardly think of a single time where someone questioned the call after I reported it. I will even get more specific as to which arm the player hit or fouled or the action that created the foul.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

While reporting? Or only at the spot?

While reporting, always. At spot, sometimes.

Like JRut, just mentioned, I also add more description on occassion...such as "from behind" to more completley communcate what happened when it may not be obvious.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

NFHS mechanics do not require you to verbalize the nature of the foul at the table. Just give the signal. "Blue, 42. [signal blocking] Two shots."

Same thing for IAABO mechanics, as bad as they are.