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The current Obstruction Thread brought to mind what is probably the most difficult mechanic for a softball umpire. To be in C and have a pick-off play at 1B.
With a runner at 2B, you cannot come inside. If you didn't have obstruction at1B, then you would have a tag play at 3B and you should be outside. Regardless of a play at 3B, it is almost impossible to see the pick-off play from C. So what do each of you do? Make the call, then confer with partner if coach complains? Do you have signals with partner? Or simply transfer the call to the PU? WMB |
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What I normally do is on a very obvious one I obviously keep the call, on a whacker, you can tell pretty much when a tag will occur so I will ask my partner before making a call if they had a tag or if the tag is obvious I'll ask if they had a hand on the bag, looking for the piece of information that I'm missing, but I will keep the call
btw thank the good Lord SCRIMMAGES start in TEXAS in 21 days
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I've worked where PU takes it and it is good unless the tag is backside (Right field side) and the fielder/runner blocks your view. THen what do you do? I once saw a BU point to PU on that play, and PU pointed back! Hilarious! |
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I'm handling this play the same way that John spoke of. If it's obvious, I make the call. If it's a banger, I'll check with my PU partner on whether the runner's hand got in - but it's still my call.
Oh, and indoor practice has started for the college teams - watched/called a couple of hundred pitches so far.
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That same mechanic is the approved mechanic in both ASA and NCAA. If you plan to deviate, you must communicate; sounds like BU failed to discuss his plan to deviate in a pregame. |
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As you said, the pickoff at first is very difficult for the BU in C postion to see and call, but we have to do it. What's wrong with pregaming this situation with your partner and asking the PU to slide up the line and take a call at third base?
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That's why...
That's why it's so !@#$!@# important to pregame with your partner.
I ALWAYS cover this play in the pregame. If I'm doing the plate, I ask my partner how they want to handle this. If I am the base umpire and my partner doesn't bring it up, I tell them how I prefer to handle it. The way I prefer to handle it is to take it myself IF I can get a good look at it. As one who had it drilled into their head at 14 years of age to NEVER GUESS an out, if I don't see it, I go to my partner. If neither of us see an out, then guess what: we have a safe. I don't get paid for calling safes, which is why I bust my butt to get in the best possible position to see the play.
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Standard argument with BB umpires under every situation including an appeal on a pulled foot, bad angle or block-out. It seems some umpires are too proud to admit they are not perfect and that they cannot handle all 360 degrees of a play. They would rather dump this call or eat it. Tell me, while BU is looking at 1B only to point to PU, who is covering R1 advancing to 3B? If this putz is worried about what looks better, how bad is it going to look when he is pointing toward the plate only to find the PU heading toward a holding zone halfway up the 3B line?
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half your game fee for doing your job. OPf course if it is LL then half a hot dog and coke ain't a hell of a lot.
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Just hollar back, If I make the call, you owe me at least half your game fee for doing your job. OPf course if it is LL then half a hot dog and coke ain't a hell of a lot. [/B][/QUOTE] Half a hot dog and a coke? This guy has about 600 dollars worth of stuff he got free from LLWS, including jackets, shirts, hats, pants, gear bag, duffle bag, counters, etc. |
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half your game fee for doing your job. OPf course if it is LL then half a hot dog and coke ain't a hell of a lot. [/B][/QUOTE] Half a hot dog and a coke? This guy has about 600 dollars worth of stuff he got free from LLWS, including jackets, shirts, hats, pants, gear bag, duffle bag, counters, etc. [/B][/QUOTE] WOw, LL has come a long way since I called it. Oh well, since all listed items were pural, take half of them.
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