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Alright guys, here's the deal. JV boys game, A is up by 10. I call a foul on a32, at the time i was unaware that it was his 5th. So i'm in the zone reporting, he know's it's his fifth, so as he's leaving he walks by me in the reporting zone he walks by and has the usual choice F*CK word for me. I then blow my whistle, T him. I finish reporting the personal, then report the T. then the scorer tells me that's his 5th then i tell the coach he's now bench personal and DQ'd, i inform A32 he is also DQ'd. My question is, was i correct in not assessing the coach of A an indirect as i had not yet been informed that A had committed 5 fouls, so therefore i could not inform the coach he was bench personal, which is the requirement?
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You're half correct (is that possible?) in this situation.
A32 was not yet bench personnel because he becomes bench personell when the coach is informed that A32 is disqualified. If you know, but have not yet told the coach, A32 is still a player, and the indirect T is not charged to the head coach.
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ok, how am i half correct? I didn't assess the indirect T because i didn't know he had recived 5 fouls, which actually turned out to be 6th. Since i didn't know that he had committed 5 fouls, i didn't inform the coach.
Also, as an aside kinda, in talking with an experienced offical locally, who is just switching over from fiba and ncaa rules to fed, he didn't know if it was possible for a player to recieve 6 fouls, which in issence is really what happend comments? [Edited by moose69 on Dec 4th, 2001 at 10:42 PM] |
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That doesn't make any sense.
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So, again, how is he half wrong?
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a player may recieve up to 7 fouls. 5 personal and 2 technical.
situation: player a1 recieves his 5th personal, on his way to the bench he says, "f you." then he recieves a t. during the remainder of the game he stands up and loudly states the officials suck. whack! that = 7. i have never seen this happen but it could. some may say he could get more than 2 t's if he abuses the refs on his way out. what do you guy's think. i dont think i would ever hand out more than 2 t's to a player. i would refuse to put the ball in play until the coach or administration removed the player. i would let them know if he does not leave his team has to forfeit. this is a very steep penalty with the fhsaa(florida high school athletic association)
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In the original situation, no indirect T was assessed because the ref had not informed the player that the player was disqualified. All that matters is when the coach is notified that the player is disqualified.
As to fouls on a player, you can have more than seven. Five fouls DQ's the kid - he can't play, but has to sit on the bench. If he has 1 T already, and gets one while on the bench, you can't double disqualify him - he can stay and get a third, fourth, etc. (of course, now they are indirects against the coach). BTW, in NF rules (may be different by state association) a player can be ordered from the gym, but he/she MUST be accompanied by an adult.
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You do not want to eject a kid from the building. If the coach decides to remove him, then it's his choice, not yours. It doesn't matter what the rules say you can do. Trust me on this.
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My two cents.
In my mind there is a difference between being disqualified and being ejected. (I dont think the rule book actually distinguishes) A disqualified player to me is one who has played and now picks up his 5th personal foul, and has been DQ'd for the rest of the game. Once a player picks up a flagrant foul or their second T, they have been ejected. The adults who are ejected leave the floor area. High School players who have been ejected have to stay on the bench (so there is adequate supervision) but they have been ejected. They will not get more than 2T's from me. I cannot find in the book where someone can pick up more than 2 because they have been ejected and are non players at that point. If an ejected player is not giving you problems from the bench area, the team has three choices, get him under control... get his parents or other competent administrator to escort/supervise the player someplace else. ( for me it doesnt necessarily need to be outside the gym... it could be one row back and just sitting with them) or we go home. Ejected players and coaches are not going to make a mockery out of a game and turn it into a circus. By issuing more than 2T's to a player that's exactly what they have done is made the game a circus. In our state (UT) once a player has been ejected, we most notify the State Association, and the kid sits out at least one game. If he caused problems on the bench and we had to have the coach/administrator/parents take care of it, he might be out more than just one game. It would certainly be in my game report, but I am not going to look dopey by also having to include that I called 4 T's on one kid and caused ten point swing in a game. |
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