Coach out of Box?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

In fairness to Z, I don't think it has anything to do with that. I think he was replying to my "screw the timeout request" comment.

IOW, I don't think he was saying that you shouldn't T the coach for being in the wrong box. He was merely saying that somebody should always be able to check for the request before it gets to the point where the coach is running into the backcourt.

That was my point. It's irrelevant whether you shoulda, coulda, woulda. You have to deal with what actually happened. And what happened is that you've got a coach yelling at you from the OTHER team's bench area. Don't blame the officials if they can't get a TO request in situations like this because the situation has dictated that they can't turn away from the action.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

That was my point. It's irrelevant whether you shoulda, coulda, woulda. You have to deal with what actually happened. And what happened is that you've got a coach yelling at you from the OTHER team's bench area. Don't blame the officials if they can't get a TO request in situations like this because the situation has dictated that they can't turn away from the action.

Really hard for me to deal with what actually happened when I hear these kinds of stories. With 3 officials on the floor, we should never miss a coach wanting a time-out, especially in a situation like this when we know one might be coming. There is always someone with enough peripheral that they can see the coach gesturing madly. If this happened at state, you'd have to call the T. And the entire crew should be expecting to work the consolation bracket for the rest of the tournament.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by zebraman

If this happened at state, you'd have to call the T. And the entire crew should be expecting to work the consolation bracket for the rest of the tournament.

With all due respect, that's boolsh!t! If they didn't call the "T", I might agree with it.

The officials were concentrating on the play. That's what they're supposed to be doing. If they miss a TO call out that was out of their vision, too bad. Having that happen occasionally is a byproduct of a rule that was never well thought out in the first place.

[oldschool]

Being the original poster it was described as it actually happened. There is no exaggeration involved. Actually the crew did T up the other coach( not the one out of the box) later in the 2nd overtime for complaining about a few calls. Game was decided at that point and coach was looking for it to vent.

[Raymond]

Coach's box privileges. That privilege is lost for certain offenses. One of those offenses would include standing in the opposing team's coach's box.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Coach's box privileges. That privilege is lost for certain offenses. One of those offenses would include standing in the opposing team's coach's box.

Not to pick a nit, but "Coaching box." Wouldn't want the coaches to think they own that box.

[Y2Koach]

As a coach, when asked during pre-game if i have any more questions, I usually tell the officials that since my voice naturally lacks volume, I dont yell very much unless its to request a time out. I also tell them if they dont hear me right away, they might see me jumping up and down screaming and waving my arms like a crazy man.

If i were to run towards an official to try to get their attention to get a Time out, i certainly would not run to the official all the way at the other end of the court because:
#1 risk of a Technical foul
#2 Im lazy and that's a long run
#3 there is usually a ref closer to me that I wont have to run on to the court to get his attention, and i've noticed that if an official realizes that they didnt realize a coach was calling for a TO right away, they will grant it ASAP and usually explain to their partner that was pre-occupied with watching the triple-team that a TO was requested PRIOR to the turnover (being 40+ feet away from the play, watching the other players on the court, and realizing late that the coach had been trying to request a Time out, that official that is away from the ball will usually give you the benefit of the doubt on the sequence of events)

so if i WERE to run 50 or so feet across the court in front of the opposing bench, as a coach i am probably expecting a techincal foul...

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

With all due respect, that's boolsh!t! If they didn't call the "T", I might agree with it.

The officials were concentrating on the play. That's what they're supposed to be doing. If they miss a TO call out that was out of their vision, too bad. Having that happen occasionally is a byproduct of a rule that was never well thought out in the first place.

I call boolsh!t on your boolsh!t Bank on an early game for those 3 officials who didn't see the coach asking for a time-out way before that coach decided to use the other coaching box too. Officials in a 3-person crew can concentrate on the play and still have enough awareness and peripheral vision to see a time-out request, especially in a situation where it's expected.

The rule is what it is. We have to deal with it.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by zebraman

I call boolsh!t on your boolsh!t Bank on an early game for those 3 officials who didn't see the coach asking for a time-out way before that coach decided to use the other coaching box too.

Yeah, you may be right. Maybe someone should have anticipated the TO

But that does not grant the coach the right to waltz into his opponent's box.

[Adam]

Missing the TO might very well get these officials an early next game. However, after further review, I'm pretty sure ignoring the T will only make their predicament worse.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Missing the TO might very well get these officials an early next game. However, after further review, I'm pretty sure ignoring the T will only make their predicament worse.

Completely agree.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Bank on an early game for those 3 officials who didn't see the coach asking for a time-out way before that coach decided to use the other coaching box too.

As I said before, I agree fully with ScrappyDoo's post #18. There are situations where the officials can NOT be expected to immediately get and confirm a TO request, and this might be one of them.

You can't fault the officials imo for missing a TO request under certain conditions. You can fault the officials if they let a coach away with being so far out of their box though.

Gonna have to agree to disagree, Z.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Gonna have to agree to disagree, Z.

That's why they call it a discussion board.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by zebraman

That's why they call it a discussion board.

Z, are you saying that you wouldn't call the T??? Or just that someone should have seen the coach earlier - before he ended up in the next county?

If you're saying the first - what justification are you using?

If you're saying the second (which I think you are) then I agree, but we still have to call the T. Once they cross that county line, all bets are off.