Coach out of Box?

[truerookie]

Classic example of everyone ball watching:

1. Warn for being out of box
2. Grant TO
3. Pretend to listen to the coach complain about nobody granting her TO request.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by truerookie

Classic example of everyone ball watching:

1. Warn for being out of box
2. Grant TO

Count me in this camp, but I'll add one.

3. Pretend to listen to the coach complain about nobody granting her TO request.

[truerookie]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Count me in this camp, but I'll add one.

3. Pretend to listen to the coach complain about nobody granting her TO request.

How is that? look below

[Adam]

Originally Posted by truerookie

How is that? look below

Nope.
Do what my late grandfather did when he couldn't hear you.

Smile and nod.

[Tio]

I think we need to be aware at junctures of the game where teams/coaches may want a timeout. Usually, coaches start out reasonably and won't run out on the court unless their initial request isn't acknowledged. During the timeout, I would address timeout awareness with the crew. When we are bringing the teams out of the timeout, I would casually tell the coach something like, "Coach, I know you are trying hard to get our attention, but I really need you to stay in your box."

I think most coaches are just caught up in the intensity of the game and just need to be reminded to bring it down a notch.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Tio

I think we need to be aware at junctures of the game where teams/coaches may want a timeout.

Originally Posted by somebody on page 1 of the thread

I think the official who was consumed by the play should call a technical foul on his two partners for not being aware in a situation where a time-out should be expected.

Being aware is great, but the ballhandler was triple-teamed in the backcourt. That probably means that we have 10 players and so (hopefully) 3 officials in the backcourt. So which official exactly should turn his/her attention away from this high-intensity situation because they think the coach might want a timeout? Should it be the new Trail, who is responsible for the endline out of bounds call? Should it be the Center, who is helping with the contact (or, if the ball is on the C's side, has primary responsibility for the play)? Or should it be the new Lead who is responsible for 6 players who are scrambling to either get open or play deny defense?

The coach can request a timeout all he/she wants. The officials' first priority is to the play on the court. IF the play is such that the official can look away to verify the request, then he/she can grant it. But in a case like this, screw the timeout request. Officiate the freakin' play. If the coach has really been coaching, then the kids should know that they can request the timeout themselves.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Being aware is great, but the ballhandler was triple-teamed in the backcourt. That probably means that we have 10 players and so (hopefully) 3 officials in the backcourt. So which official exactly should turn his/her attention away from this high-intensity situation because they think the coach might want a timeout? Should it be the new Trail, who is responsible for the endline out of bounds call? Should it be the Center, who is helping with the contact (or, if the ball is on the C's side, has primary responsibility for the play)? Or should it be the new Lead who is responsible for 6 players who are scrambling to either get open or play deny defense?

The coach can request a timeout all he/she wants. The officials' first priority is to the play on the court. IF the play is such that the official can look away to verify the request, then he/she can grant it. But in a case like this, screw the timeout request. Officiate the freakin' play. If the coach has really been coaching, then the kids should know that they can request the timeout themselves.

Very well stated. Stoopid rule.

From POE 3A in last year's FED rulebook...."Coaches attempting to call a timeout during playing action is a continuing problem. When player control is lost, officials must concentrate on playing action while attempting to determine if a timeout should be granted." The same rationale applies to this situation.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Being aware is great, but the ballhandler was triple-teamed in the backcourt. That probably means that we have 10 players and so (hopefully) 3 officials in the backcourt. So which official exactly should turn his/her attention away from this high-intensity situation because they think the coach might want a timeout?

There is always an official facing the table. With awareness and peripheral vision, you can see a coach going F*$*ing crazy trying to call a time-out. Happens all the time.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by zebraman

There is always an official facing the table.

Absolutely FALSE!!! There is always an official on the side of the court opposite the table. But if the play is on the endline opposite the coach's bench, that "opposite" official is looking AWAY from the bench (particularly if the play is on his/her side of the court). This is a triple-team near the endline. There's no way that the "opposite" official can look at the bench without sacrificing coverage on the play.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Absolutely FALSE!!! There is always an official on the side of the court opposite the table. But if the play is on the endline opposite the coach's bench, that "opposite" official is looking AWAY from the bench (particularly if the play is on his/her side of the court). This is a triple-team near the endline. There's no way that the "opposite" official can look at the bench without sacrificing coverage on the play.

That official will see the head coach that's trying to call a TO from the opposing team's bench area though.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by zebraman

There is always an official facing the table. With awareness and peripheral vision, you can see a coach going F*$*ing crazy trying to call a time-out. Happens all the time.

What does that have to do with a coach being so far out of her box?

The coach was in the other team's bench area. Trying to make excuses for her behavior is simply ridiculous imo.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

What does that have to do with a coach being so far out of her box?

In fairness to Z, I don't think it has anything to do with that. I think he was replying to my "screw the timeout request" comment.

IOW, I don't think he was saying that you shouldn't T the coach for being in the wrong box. He was merely saying that somebody should always be able to check for the request before it gets to the point where the coach is running into the backcourt.

[Tio]

If you've already T'd the coach of the opposing team, then I think your hands have been tied. However, the action needs to be blatant and obvious on tape, without a shadow of a doubt. Sometimes I wonder if the actions of coaches described on this board are 100% accurate. :> I do not believe this was the scenario the original poster mentioned.

Second, I spend more time with the NCAA rules, but I believe an NFHS coach may stand to request a timeout once they have been belted. I may be wrong, so someone please correct me if so.

I am obviously in the minority on this board with my philosophy. I have found that the most successful officials are the ones who can accurately apply the rules. This includes realizing there are "gray" areas of the rulebook subject to interpretation. Great discussion though......