Coach out of Box?

[oldschool]

How would you deal with this. Team A gets rebound in backcourt and is triple teamed against baseline. Is a sectional champioship game in double overtime. Coach of A comes all the way down sideline to get a time out. Is actually in the other teams coaching box. Understanding she was just trying to get a timeout but is this an acceptable practice? What would you do? 3 whistle crew so I know someone should have been watching for the timeout. Thanks

[stripes]

Gets a TO from me.

[grunewar]

1) Grant the time out,
2) Warn her to stay in the box,
3) Try to listen/watch better.

[Raymond]

First of all, she gets no TO from me while she is out of the coach's box.

Secondly, if she is way down in the other coach's box then I'm busting out my video recorder.

Seriously though, if she's past half-court then it's gonna be very hard not to call a 'T'.

[grunewar]

Even in the heat of the moment, during a double OT game, where she is obviously trying to get someone's attention unsuccessfully?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Even in the heat of the moment, during a double OT game, where she is obviously trying to get someone's attention unsuccessfully?

So what happens in the 1st round of the state tournament when the other coach does the same thing in the 3rd quarter with a 10 point lead?

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

First of all, she gets no TO from me while she is out of the coach's box.

Secondly, if she is way down in the other coach's box then I'm busting out my video recorder.

Seriously though, if she's past half-court then it's gonna be very hard not to call a 'T'.

Same here, coach has to stay in the box to communicate with me. It sounds as if coach walked past the scorers table to make the request. Hard to say what one would do unless they're in that situation, but maybe I'd hit the whistle, warn coach & put her back in the box, then grant the TO since we have a dead ball.
FTR, when the trap is on officials should be anticipating a TO request & occasionally glancing in coaches direction (especially on a 3 person crew).
I don't know if the L & T were tableside or opposite but the new L has got to be aware. Probably not much to referee in the FC when trap is on in the BC, JMO.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Seriously though, if she's past half-court then it's gonna be very hard not to call a 'T'.

If she's in the OTHER coaching box, it's an automatic "T" imo. That's freaking ridiculous.

We spend way too much time making up excuses for ignoring over-the-top behavior like this. If you want to warn, then you had better be prepared to warn the other head coach when s/he comes into the far bench area to set his defense in the last minute. And if I was the other coach, you had damn well better believe that I'd be in the other coaching box at some time before the game ended.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by oldschool

How would you deal with this. Team A gets rebound in backcourt and is triple teamed against baseline. Is a sectional champioship game in double overtime. Coach of A comes all the way down sideline to get a time out. Is actually in the other teams coaching box. Understanding she was just trying to get a timeout but is this an acceptable practice? What would you do? 3 whistle crew so I know someone should have been watching for the timeout. Thanks

I think the official who was consumed by the play should call a technical foul on his two partners for not being aware in a situation where a time-out should be expected.

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by oldschool

How would you deal with this. Team A gets rebound in backcourt and is triple teamed against baseline. Is a sectional champioship game in double overtime. Coach of A comes all the way down sideline to get a time out. Is actually in the other teams coaching box. Understanding she was just trying to get a timeout but is this an acceptable practice? What would you do? 3 whistle crew so I know someone should have been watching for the timeout. Thanks

oldschool:


Here is how I would have handled the situation:

WHACK!! Coach do you still want a timeout?

MTD, Sr.

[Tio]

Ben Howland in the 2nd half of the recent UCLA/Stanford game came onto the court to call a timeout at the end of the game. He did not get T'd.

[rockyroad]

By rule, it's an easy T. I really don't care that all they wanted was a time-out, there is NO reason for the coach to be that far down the court...

Having said that, if there were 10 evaluators/observers at this game, 5 would probably tell you to call the T immediately and the other 5 would say it was "good game management" to not call the T...but imo, if we follow the rules, there really isn't much that the assignor or evaluators can ding us for. I can justify to everyone involved why I DID call the T based on the rules...I can't use any rules basis to justify why I did NOT call the T.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I can justify to everyone involved why I DID call the T based on the rules...I can't use any rules basis to justify why I did NOT call the T.

You are wise beyond your height.

[Tio]

In my opinion, a T in this situation does not fit the game. I've heard Dick Cartmell speak several times at camps and he always refers to technical fouls as: "Our last resort to manage a situation."

So my suggestion is to do the right thing for the game and not put a decision in the game that will get you in the paper for the wrong reasons.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Tio

In my opinion, a T in this situation does not fit the game. I've heard Dick Cartmell speak several times at camps and he always refers to technical fouls as: "Our last resort to manage a situation."

So my suggestion is to do the right thing for the game and not put a decision in the game that will get you in the paper for the wrong reasons.

So what would the right thing be if...

1) the opposing coach had received a 'T' for bench decorum infractions earlier in the game?
or
2) if the coach calling the TO had been seat-belted b/c of a bench technical in the 2nd quarter?