Free Throw Violation- Shooter with ball

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

Ok but I just wish there was a rule against that type of thing. As for the NBA where player go in on the release and often they do before the shot I'm 99% positive I've seen it called. Maybe it was Karl Malone or someone who held the ball up and did a little hitch or fake

If someone "faked" it, I totally believe it. It definitely is different when guys are going in on the release...but it doesn't mean there is an explicit rule against the motion. It's simply a rule against drawing an opponent into the lane by faking.

[lpbreeze]

and one other thing that bothered me was the player saying he had done it before in other games and it hadn't been called. But then it is a violation in new game because the other team went into the lane.
I shall take this up with President of Basketball. who is... hmmmmm the dude with the highlighters on ESPN.

[Adam]

The cite you're looking for is rule 9-1-1b. "The free thrower shall not fake a try, nor shall any player in a marked lane space fake to cause an opponent to violate."

This is a hold-over rule from when players (except the shooter) could enter the lane upon the release of the try. The intent of the rule is to prohibit the shooter from deceiving the defense into a violation.

Since the defense can't enter until the ball hits the rim anyway, this fake should not have any affect on them. This is why it's generally allowed.

At the NCAA and NBA levels, players are allowed to enter the lane on the release, so the fake is probably illegal there as well.

[lpbreeze]

Well thanks but this is one that I just can't agree with. It is illegal but a ref will only blow it as illegal if it causes a lane violation. I just think it would be better off to call a violation even without a lane violation

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

Well thanks but this is one that I just can't agree with. It is illegal but a ref will only blow it as illegal if it causes a lane violation. I just think it would be better off to call a violation even without a lane violation

Lah me......

Faking a free throw is NOT illegal. It is ONLY a violation IF it makes the opposing team violate. You have NO rules justification to EVER call a violation if the opposing team doesn't violate.

A little advice....take it fwiw......you need to quit thinking, learn the rules and then just call the game by the rules.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Faking a free throw is NOT illegal. It is ONLY a violation IF it makes the opposing team violate.

While I think that is probably how it's called in the very few cases where somebody tries to fake it, that's not actually what the rule says.

9-1-3b: "The free thrower shall not fake a try, nor shall any player in a marked lane space fake to cause an opponent to violate".

The "makes the opposing team violate" provision that you mention is applied only to players in the marked lane spaces. The part that relates to the shooter is pretty clear -- "shall not a fake a try".

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

While I think that is probably how it's called in the very few cases where somebody tries to fake it, that's not actually what the rule says.

9-1-3b: "The free thrower shall not fake a try, nor shall any player in a marked lane space fake to cause an opponent to violate".

The "makes the opposing team violate" provision that you mention is applied only to players in the marked lane spaces. The part that relates to the shooter is pretty clear -- "shall not a fake a try".

I'm not sure it makes sense to parse the fed rule book this closely Scrappy, it's harldy an example of clarity in writing.

IMO the point of that passage is to define the consequences of faking by players during FTs. Clearly (well... maybe not so clearly...) the intent is as JR interprets it. Penalized if you're faking as the shooter OR player on a FT spot AND your fake causes your opponent to violate

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

9-1-3b: "The free thrower shall not fake a try, nor shall any player in a marked lane space fake, to cause an opponent to violate".

I added the comma above to show the intent and purpose of the rule, and also the way that it's been called...oh...forever.

If the FED had wanted different rules to apply to different situations, they would have used separate sentences.

It would have read:
b) The free thrower shall not fake a try.
c) Any player in a marked lane space shall not fake to cause an opponent to violate.

There's a reason that only one sentence was used.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Lah me......

Faking a free throw is NOT illegal. It is ONLY a violation IF it makes the opposing team violate. You have NO rules justification to EVER call a violation if the opposing team doesn't violate.

A little advice....take it fwiw......you need to quit thinking, learn the rules and then just call the game by the rules.

I was the 'C' this past weekend when the free-throw shooter did this. A defender violated the free-throw lane as a result. Got me off guard and I froze for a second. Luckily the Lead stepped in and made the call.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I was the 'C' this past weekend when the free-throw shooter did this. A defender violated the free-throw lane as a result. Got me off guard and I froze for a second. Luckily the Lead stepped in and made the call.

What level? HS? Defense has no business entering the lane; unless the fake caused him to lose his balance.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by lpbreeze

Well thanks but this is one that I just can't agree with. It is illegal but a ref will only blow it as illegal if it causes a lane violation. I just think it would be better off to call a violation even without a lane violation

Okay, the rule says it's illegal to "fake" a try. It does not say it's illegal to "practice" a try. The difference is key.

Why would a player "fake" a try; to get the defense to violate. That's not an issue with the current rules. Therefore, the shooter in the OP must have been practicing.