SC 4A Final - you make the call

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Brad

Maybe you're just not as good as me

Fair enough...

Originally Posted by Brad

If this play is *THAT* close, why wouldn't you award the miracle basket and play at the end of the game? We don't know the discussion of the officials though -- maybe they didn't think it was *THAT* close...

If you are asking me why I wouldn't award the "miracle" basket...well, maybe I would. I would have to be there to make that determination...rather than watching a few blurry video clips.

Also, maybe the crew didn't want to (or have information to) overturn the official that originally WAVED the basket off. As you said, we don't know the discussion of the other officials.

I guess that's why we make the big bucks....$50 a game for Regional games here in my part of WA...and .48 cents a mile travel both ways. $10 meal allowance if over 75 miles...and $50 lodging if over 125 miles. (One official I worked with, in a Regional, got his motel paid for even though it was probably over $50 a night)

Can't remember what State pays...didn't go this year...maybe zebraman can help...he went to Yakima, WA this year for the State tournament.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Can't remember what State pays...didn't go this year...maybe zebraman can help...he went to Yakima, WA this year for the State tournament.

A whopping $51.00 per game. However, each official invited to a HS state tournament in Washington State works all four days and ends up working seven games. IRS rate on mileage and a hotel room while you're there, plus $20.00 per day for food.

[w_sohl]

Regular Season
Varsity: $63 2-man/$48 3-man
Underclass: $44

There are 3 games a night and there will be 3 officials assigned to the site each working two games
Freshman: O1 and O2
JV: O1 and O3
Varsity: O2 and O3

Playoffs
Valley Tournament (all 3-man)
1st Round: $48
2nd Round: $95
3rd Round and Championship: $95 + milage to furthest traveling official

3rd Round and Championship use mixed crews from the three local associations. Fresno, Bakersfield and the Central Valley (Visalia area)

State Playoffs
All Rounds: $60 something, not sure about milage

[Brad]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

If you are asking me why I wouldn't award the "miracle" basket...well, maybe I would. I would have to be there to make that determination...rather than watching a few blurry video clips.

Yeah - I didn't mean "you" in the personal sense... More like "you" in the "all of us officials" sense... i.e. Why wouldn't *we* award the basket?

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Also, maybe the crew didn't want to (or have information to) overturn the official that originally WAVED the basket off. As you said, we don't know the discussion of the other officials.

That is true and might be the best point of this thread. If the official with the last-second shot waved off the basket, I can see how the other officials wouldn't be able to come in real-time and say definitely that the ball had been released before the horn. I think if that official had signaled basket good it would have stood as well. On a play that close no official is going to overturn the ruling of the official who has the last second shot responsibility.

[BillyMac]

I just received a check for $98.35 for a conference (not state) final. No mileage, 42 mile round trip.

[bgtg19]

Originally Posted by Brad

If the official with the last-second shot waved off the basket, I can see how the other officials wouldn't be able to come in real-time and say definitely that the ball had been released before the horn. I think if that official had signaled basket good it would have stood as well. On a play that close no official is going to overturn the ruling of the official who has the last second shot responsibility.

Exactly. This call came down to one person -- the official with the last shot responsibility. They all got together after the fact (which I think was wise; it's a state championship game, after all) and the calling official probably said "I've got the shot coming after the horn. Does anyone know differently?" And, with as close as we all acknowledge that it was, one way or the other, neither of the officials without primary responsibility for that shot are going to say they know for sure anything different than what the calling official had.

It was just real, real close and the calling official made his best judgment at the time. I can live with that. And so should everyone else. Even the losing team's fans.