Help, I think we kicked one....

[roadking]

Late in game team A is fouled shooting a three. Team A goes to line and shoots the first two free throws without any of team B players on the freethrow blocks. I realize our screw up and have team B occupy the bottom spots. Should there be a technical assesed or just a delay of game warning??? thanks

[refinks]

I'll give this one a shot. I believe the rule is, you go ahead and shoot the free throw, if it's missed, you call a lane violation, if it's made, then no harm. i think then you're supposed to give the team a warning for delay of game, and if they don't immediately occupy the spots, it's a technical foul. However, since you didn't catch it until after the second free throw, I'm not sure there's much you can do except put em on the lane. I'm not sure you can punish a team for something that you should have caught right away, instead of after the second free throw.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by roadking

Late in game team A is fouled shooting a three. Team A goes to line and shoots the first two free throws without any of team B players on the freethrow blocks. I realize our screw up and have team B occupy the bottom spots. Should there be a technical assesed or just a delay of game warning??? thanks

If Team B fails to occupy the bottom spaces, you order them to do so. If they refuse, it's a technical foul. No delay of game warning, no shotting the FT, no violation. Technical foul.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by refinks

I'll give this one a shot. I believe the rule is, you go ahead and shoot the free throw, if it's missed, you call a lane violation, if it's made, then no harm. i think then you're supposed to give the team a warning for delay of game, and if they don't immediately occupy the spots, it's a technical foul.

That's only when the resuming play procedure is in effect.

[refinks]

oh yes, the resumption of play procedure, I knew there was something about that.

[Texas Aggie]

order them to do so. If they refuse, it's a technical foul.

You might cite rules support here, because the only place I see a penalty for failure to occupy is in 9, not in 10.

[Teigan]

God bless FIBA.....
If they are not occupying the spot - it does not matter!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Texas Aggie

You might cite rules support here, because the only place I see a penalty for failure to occupy is in 9, not in 10.

Case book play 10.1.5SitC(b) is the exact play. You can't get any better rules support than that.

[roadking]

Unfortnantly no team delay warning was administerd, so under the rule we could not of assesed a technical. I'll chaulk it up to brain dead officiating.......

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by roadking

Unfortunately no team delay warning was administered, so under the rule we could not of assessed a technical. I'll chalk it up to brain dead officiating.......

Didn't you even bother to read case book play 10.1.5SitC(b)? Under the rules, you sureasheck CAN assess a technical foul. In this particular, there is no prerequisite of having a team delay warning in the scorebook before issuing the technical foul. Directing a team to fill the bottom slots is not an official delay warning.

If you didn't catch it before the 2 FT's though, you can't go back and call retroactive "T"s.

[MCJB Ump]

Originally Posted by roadking

I'll chaulk it up to brain dead officiating.......

More of a brain cramp.......it happens.

[roadking]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Didn't you even bother to read case book play 10.1.5SitC(b)? Under the rules, you sureasheck CAN assess a technical foul. In this particular, there is no prerequisite of having a team delay warning in the scorebook before issuing the technical foul. Directing a team to fill the bottom slots is not an official delay warning.

If you didn't catch it before the 2 FT's though, you can't go back and call retroactive "T"s.

I did read the case book.....We did not catch it until after the second made free throw. Normally I would of asked the team to fill spots......then penalized from there

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by roadking

I did read the case book.....We did not catch it until after the second made free throw. Normally I would of asked the team to fill spots......then penalized from there

You wrote "Unfortunately no team delay warning was administerd,..."

There is no warning for delay of game. That's what Jurassic is saying.

[roadking]

I understand, I just believe I shoulder the responsability for not at least reminding player to fill spots.

[mbyron]

Look, you erred by not requiring the lane spots to be filled for the first 2 FT's. Fine, your bad. Now, you caught it, so order them in, and if they fail to comply, it's a T.

No retro-active T for not having filled them earlier: the T is for failing to comply, not for failing to fill the lane spots.

But you don't "owe" anyone anything when you make a mistake. It's part of the game (but part you can work every day to minimize).